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'77 won't hardly go

 
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mattjs33  



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:50 am    Post subject: '77 won't hardly go Reply with quote

Hi all,

Last summer I rescued a '77 924 that had been sitting for 16 years in a concrete floor garage. Took a few months to sort but was able to drive it around a bit by autumn. Put it away over the winter, started it up this spring without too much issue. Drove it in June then it sat for about three weeks.

Upon the next attempted drive, it started hard but once running it was seemingly running on two cylinders. Seemed like maybe fouled plugs but I couldn't clear it out. Eventually I realized two wires were loose so I snapped them back on the plugs and it got a little better. The wires were the only ignition item we hadn't changed because I couldn't source them quickly locally. So eventually I sourced some and put those on. Running got a little better, but in gear the car simply refuses to accelerate with any throttle application at all.

When I got the car there was a ton of rust in the gas tank. We've cleaned it out the best we could without removing it. We replaced both fuel accumulators and I'm on my second fuel pump now because the fuel detritus killed the first one. It also completely consumed the first fuel filter. So now we have a filter before the pump to protect it in addition to the stock one.

My guy who got it running initially thought maybe the fuel distributor was gummed up so I sourced a rebuild kit and he went through it. No change in how it ran. Then he thought on a lark it might be the coil. So we changed that. It ran a little better but still will not accept throttle in gear. Somehow the fuel distributor started leaking and at that point he couldn't seal it properly so I sourced a remanufactured fuel distributor out of Australia. It arrived today and he put it on, and the car will idle fine but it just refuses to accept any throttle application to accelerate.

My mechanic isn't a Porsche or K-Jet expert by any means, but he's been doing this 40+ years and he's not an idiot. The car was literally running 100% fine when I let it sit for three weeks (rotated it out to drive some other toys), and when I came back to it, it won't hardly go.

We are at our wits' ends. What should we be looking at?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You probably need to start with the fuel pressure tests to ensure fueling is correct.

Check the timing, has the distributor slipped?
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mattjs33  



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At what location should we check the pressure, and what should it be?

I can't imagine the distributor randomly slipped while parked, but I will ensure he has checked the timing again.
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agfisher  



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get yourself a CIS Pressure gauge (and test. They are fitted in the top port of the fuel distributor where the hose heads to the WUR.

Here's a gauge set, you might be able to find it cheaper elsewhere. https://www.tooldiscounter.com/product/s-and-g-tool-aid-cis-k-jetronic-tester-sag33800?gclid=Cj0KCQiA4aacBhCUARIsAI55maE2yUHfQaBZzkc3-KE5d4MVVYog0tlUR8Ui4oyYVbRHilRt-UE6BpoaAnCPEALw_wcB

Also, I'm not sure if you are on Facebook, but the Porsche 924 group has a "Starting a Long Dead 924" document written by Jim delToro that you you can download from the files section.

From what I am hearing about your issue, to me, it sounds just like a fuel delivery issue.

Adam
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agfisher  



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, both Jim delToro and I have 77s.
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mattjs33  



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

agfisher wrote:
Get yourself a CIS Pressure gauge (and test. They are fitted in the top port of the fuel distributor where the hose heads to the WUR.

From what I am hearing about your issue, to me, it sounds just like a fuel delivery issue.

Adam


Okay.

So what should the pressure read, and if it's low, what could be the culprit?
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agfisher  



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go get that document I mentioned. It will walk you through the entire process and tell you what the different reading mean. It could be anything from a bad fuel pump, to a gummed up FD, to a bad fuel pump. It's all in there.

Here's the group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/599995980132204
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you. I didn't find the file as named but there is plenty there for us to work from.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, the file name is "Troubleshooting-non-running-engine-v7.5.pdf".
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