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462avi
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 Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject: 931 purchase |
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First I want to say thanks for such a great site. I thought I knew everything there was to know about the 924. Wrong. Anyway here is my story, I owned a 924 n/a about 6 years ago and absolutely loved this car. It was literally indestuctable. Believe me I tried. Now I have an opportunity to buy the turbo version for get this $600.00 US. Now granted for that price obviously the car needs work but is it worth it? If so what are the sore spots to look for? Any help would be appreciated. Also is there any club member located near Hollister? Just wanted to see if anyone is near by.
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Geoff
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm in Fresno.....close in the 924 world anyway! |
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462avi
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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looks like you have a few porsche's. Any advice on my potential purchase?
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Khal
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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G'day mate, welcome to The 'Board!
Hard to say if it's worth buying a US$600 Turbo. It depends on many factors, some of which might be:
Firstly, I suppose, is does it need a complete, ground-up rebuild? That could be hideously expensive. It's worth remembering that in the 'States, you can probably find a very good Turbo for less than US$5,000... possibly much less! It may well cost you a lot more than that in parts alone to restore one completely. Let alone adding the cost of a decent paint job...
Are you the mechanical type? Will you do most of the repair work yourself? Obviously, getting a shop to do all the work will massively increase the cost!
Obviously, rebuilding engines/drivelines can be an expensive and time-consuming process. It depends somewhat on what you want to do but even a relatively minor freshen-up will be quite expensive compared to the purchase price of the car.
How's the clutch? How's the gearbox? How are the brakes? And on and on... It all costs money to repair/replace!
Be careful of what you might be getting yourself into.
On the other hand, if you thrive on that sorta stuff (and many here do!) then I suspect the price is probably right for a complete but crapped-out car.
Got any pictures?
By the way, here's one that popped up recently on the 'board.
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Khal
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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From here...
| 462avi wrote: | | I understand what you are saying... |
Good, as long as you understand that it can be more expensive -a lot more expensive -to restore rather than just buying a good one in the first place.
| 462avi wrote: | | I thrive on the impossible and I love mechanical challenges to a fault. |
You're gonna love the Turbo then... 
| 462avi wrote: | | I know it may sound alittle cocky to say that I can bring the car back from the brink but I do have a good track record on other vehicles. |
Not necessarily cocky, perhaps more naive. They're relatively simple, mechanically speaking. It's just that the expense can catch you out... you get a crapped-out car for six-hundred bucks and think you'll have a minter for a couple of grand... wrong!
| 462avi wrote: | | On the plus side the 931 does have a lot of other cars to steal parts from. |
Be careful there, too. Many major mechanical components are not interchageable between the 924 and the 924 Turbo... even different years of the Turbo model have unique parts.
| 462avi wrote: | | I also have access to a machine shop so I can do things that most can't. |
Cool.
| 462avi wrote: | | I notice that you are someone who is asked a lot of questions ...I see we could go back and forth with ideas all day. I Look forward to talking in detail in the future. |
Um, actually my mechanical knowledge is pretty limited. 
| 462avi wrote: | | One more thing. I really do feel passionate about the fact that this is a rare car and even in rough shape she deserves to be scooped from the ashes to rise like a phoneix to ride again and stop the competion. Alittle melodramatic but thats how I feel. |
You'll find plenty of like-minded people here
Good luck.
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462avi
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Maybe I am naive but I also know a lot about 924's so hopefully it won't do me wrong. I have a plan to provide the drawings for the 924 carrera gt intercooler. Its an easy upgrade mechanically and I think people would love to have the ability to boost performance. I am still working out the technicals but It is a do-able thing. Stay tuned (no pun intended). As for the car in question, its a 1980 turbo but its a late model as far as I can tell. It has five lug wheels which can only mean all wheel disc brakes. It also has the Getrag 5 speed. I know that for some this is a bad thing but how can you go wrong with a 911 part. It definitely needs paint but I have an idea that the problem is rotten intake boots or a slipped cam belt, we shall see.
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| 462avi wrote: | | Maybe I am naive but I also know a lot about 924's so hopefully it won't do me wrong. |
I didn't mean it in a bad way You mentioned you've owned an NA before, so you know basically what you're in for. I doubt the Turbo will provide many surprises over the NA... except maybe the price and rarity of some items!
| 462avi wrote: | | I have a plan to provide the drawings for the 924 carrera gt intercooler. Its an easy upgrade mechanically and I think people would love to have the ability to boost performance. |
 You mean you've got blueprints or something?! I know there's plenty of people here who'd want something like that!
| 462avi wrote: | | As for the car in question, its a 1980 turbo but its a late model as far as I can tell. It has five lug wheels which can only mean all wheel disc brakes. It also has the Getrag 5 speed. I know that for some this is a bad thing but how can you go wrong with a 911 part. |
Sounds like a good base assuming it's got no major body damage and a servicable interior. A lot of people, especially in the U.S., swap the "snailshell" gearbox for the 944 or Audi unit. Generally cheaper than rebuilding the snail and some argue it's tougher, too.
| 462avi wrote: | | I have an idea that the problem is rotten intake boots or a slipped cam belt, we shall see. |
Are you aware that the Turbo is an interference engine, unlike the NA? If the cam belt has slipped/broken, you've got bent valves for sure and possibly holed pistons...
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462avi
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Maybe you know something I don't but as far as I know, unless the head has been decked the engine is not an interference engine. Because of the need for a low compression engine it make sense that it would not be. I guess I need to do some more reseach. As far as the intercooler goes, no I do not have blue prints but with pictures and line drawings I think I can recreate it using some easily obtained parts. Like I said stay tuned. I promise I will and I mean I will deliver something. What kind of 924 do you have? Have you done any body work upgrades? I was thinking the D type would be easy and look good. Unfortunately here in the states we have those ugly side marker lamps, you know the round ones. Once I figure out the body work issues I am shaving those puppies. Compared to my old hobby this will be much cheaper. I used to be into boats. It's not a lie the happiest day of your life is when you sell your boat. What a nightmare.
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Khal
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| 462avi wrote: | | Maybe you know something I don't but as far as I can know, unless the head has been decked the engine is not an interferance engine. Because of the need for a low compression engine it make sense that it would not be. I guess I need some more reseachto do. |
Yeah, I know something you don't All 924 Turbos are interference.
| 462avi wrote: | | As far as the intercooler goes, no I do not have blue prints but with pictures and line drawings I think I can recreate it using some easily obtained parts. Like I said stay tuned. I promise I will and I mean I will deliver something. |
Cool if you can replicate it. But many here have intercooled their cars. Various methods and they all seem to work pretty well. Seems it just depends on how extreme you want to get.
Do a search for "intercooler" in the Performance Upgrades, 931 Discussion or 931 Tech. forums and you'll see all sorts of weird and wonderful things!
| 462avi wrote: | | What kind of 924 do you have? Have you done any body work upgrades? |
Here she is...
It's an '81 924 Turbo, Australian-delivered... which makes it a 932, not a 931. Yeah, it's modified but I didn't do it. A previous owner raced it so there's been work done on the engine, suspension, brakes.
| 462avi wrote: | | I was thinking the D type would be easy and look good. |
Apparently, you might be able to buy the body kits. Someone posted a link recently but I can't find it at the moment.
| 462avi wrote: | | Unfortunately here in the states we have those ugly sid maker lamps, you know the round ones. Once I figure out the body work issues I am shaving those puppies. |
Yeah, many members have done that. Also the conversion to "Euro" bumpers is popular.
| 462avi wrote: | | Compared to my old hobby this will be much cheaper. I used to be into boats. It's not a lie the happiest day of your life is when you sell your boat. What a nightmare. |
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462avi
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That's a nice looking car. I especially like the wheels. Like I said I have to do some research on the interference thing. I don't want to argue but I could swear that I have read it somewhere. Regardless of which it is I have no doubt that the head will have to come off of this car and that will definitely tell me what I am in for. Do you race your car? If so what kind of performance are you getting? I have a friend that recently got rid of a 944. She said it was costing to much in maintenance. What can I say a Porsche (even a front engine one) is a performance machine and it cost some money to maintai. I saw a sign years ago at a speed shop it read " speed cost money, how fast do you want to go? " It rings true even today.
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| 462avi wrote: | | I especially like the wheels. |
Me too! 
| 462avi wrote: | | Do you race your car? |
Only against RX-7's Nah mate, can't afford to race it.
| 462avi wrote: | | If so what kind of performance are you getting? |
I did put it on the dyno recently...
| 462avi wrote: | | I have a friend that recently got rid of a 944. She said it was costing to much in maintenance. What can I say a Porsche (even a front engine one) is a performance machine and it cost some money to maintai. |
Yes.
| 462avi wrote: | | I saw a sign years ago at a speed shop it read " speed cost money, how fast do you want to go? " It rings true even today. |
A member here has that as his tag-line.
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no offense,,, but those wheels look like something a hairdresser from Sydney would put on their 924.
The original spiders, look the part,,,,just my opinion |
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Khal
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| Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:26 am Post subject: |
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What are you doing here? Don't you have an Anthony Robbins video to finish watching..?
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There's an uncanny resemblance between you and Anthony:)
You have the same sort of lip modifications as well as the creepy smile:) |
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