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Gatornapper
Joined: 23 Oct 2021 Posts: 294 Location: VA
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:18 am Post subject: |
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According to Porsche records, this car was #201 of the first Turbos.
As 924.org states that the author had never seen an '80 Turbo without 5-lug wheels, 4-wheel discs, etc., it appears that perhaps only the very earliest models had the 4-lug wheels, drum brakes in rear, etc.
If so, that would make this a more rare early car - even with those unquestionably less-desirable features.
IMHO.
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Gatornapper
Joined: 23 Oct 2021 Posts: 294 Location: VA
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:23 am Post subject: Photo of First year Turbo from stuttcars.com |
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Early cars had 4-lug wheels:
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Fifty50Plus
Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 1354 Location: Washington DC area
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Gator,
No pics of the cars right now. They are in Ransom WVa, right outside of Charlestown WVa. I'll be going out there in the next week or two and get a better handle on what they are.
I did buy an '80 turbo that I dismantled about 6-7 years ago and it was a 4 lug wheel car with the turbo snail shell. I still have the torque tube and tranny upstairs in my shop...Too many parts and I'm running out of time/life. _________________ 1979 924 NA race car
1982 924 NA race car - Sold
1982 924 Turbo almost a PoS
1981 924 Turbo a real PoS, new engine
1982 924 Turbo nice body, blown engine
1972 911 E race car - going to Vintage
Various 944s to become IT-S race car |
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Gatornapper
Joined: 23 Oct 2021 Posts: 294 Location: VA
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:37 am Post subject: Looking for Fog Lights in fender |
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Chuck -
Once I have the car on the road, one thing I want to do is find original fog lights that go in the fender with small rubber bumper stops.
If like other Porsches cutouts are likely in the metal and the large wide bumper stops cover them.
I put LED's in the fog lights and run them as DRL's. Car stays stock but looks better and is a bit safer in daytime - much needed in a world where at any given time 1/4 of all drivers are texting - in spite of laws.
Do you have a set of the fog lights or know someone who might have them" They look like the same Bosch lights I have in my '76 914, which were NOS.
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Gatornapper
Joined: 23 Oct 2021 Posts: 294 Location: VA
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Chuck -
Wondering what pieces of the original M471 package you might have left over from your '79........I might be interested....
GN
Fifty50Plus wrote: | My '79 NA race car started as an M471 optioned car. It had the S on the hood, limited slip snailshell tranny (smaller driveshaft), vented rotors front and rear, 5 lug and sway bars front and rear.
Dan got the limited slip since I went with a locked rear and I put on bigger sway bars along with much stiffer rear torsion bars and 550 lb front coil overs. Car handles like a real race car. |
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Fifty50Plus
Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 1354 Location: Washington DC area
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2021 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Gator, everything legal is still on my race car. Ideola got the dif and I welded up a stock dif to give me a locker. No fog lights on my shelves, sorry. _________________ 1979 924 NA race car
1982 924 NA race car - Sold
1982 924 Turbo almost a PoS
1981 924 Turbo a real PoS, new engine
1982 924 Turbo nice body, blown engine
1972 911 E race car - going to Vintage
Various 944s to become IT-S race car |
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Gatornapper
Joined: 23 Oct 2021 Posts: 294 Location: VA
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2021 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Chuck. Sorry - was under the impression that you had upgraded from the M471 sway bars, etc. for tracking.
Please keep your eye out for me for the M471 stuff.
That is assuming I bring the car home Friday.
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anthonimartini
Joined: 17 Feb 2020 Posts: 240 Location: portland oregon
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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i would hazard to say that the reason we see so few turbos without 4 lug is because the 4 lug brakes are terrible and it is extremely easy to install an entire 944 setup. with 944's being cheap and plentiful for so long id think many people just buy a junker and swap the brakes. ive done it twice. i recently tore apart a 80 931 that had 4 lug brakes pasha interior and a g31 lsd. weirdest option package ive encountered so far. the engine lives on in my mochaswartz as a d prod style build. the g31 is in britains race car stable. i opted to ditch the garbage snailshell setup and just use the tt and trans from a 944. _________________ ive saved alot of 924's
current:
79 MochaSchwartz 931
83 944
87 924S
Instagram @anthoni.jpeg
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Gatornapper
Joined: 23 Oct 2021 Posts: 294 Location: VA
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2021 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Anthoni - (correct?)
Thanks. Ok, now that makes me lean to installing "an entire 944 setup".
As I'm sure you know, all the first 931's had the 4-lug and G31....no problem here with the G31 - drive one many times every week in my 914. I just hope the one in the 931 has synchro in 1st gear..........the 914 doesn't. I have no problem with the shift pattern - I'm so old I learned to drive on a 3-speed....with no synchro in 1st.
What size are sway bars in 944? Doubt they'd fit the 924 tho, difference in chassis.....still like to find the M471 pkg. in a parts car.........
GN
anthonimartini wrote: | i would hazard to say that the reason we see so few turbos without 4 lug is because the 4 lug brakes are terrible and it is extremely easy to install an entire 944 setup. with 944's being cheap and plentiful for so long id think many people just buy a junker and swap the brakes. ive done it twice. i recently tore apart a 80 931 that had 4 lug brakes pasha interior and a g31 lsd. weirdest option package ive encountered so far. the engine lives on in my mochaswartz as a d prod style build. the g31 is in britains race car stable. i opted to ditch the garbage snailshell setup and just use the tt and trans from a 944. |
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anthonimartini
Joined: 17 Feb 2020 Posts: 240 Location: portland oregon
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:57 am Post subject: |
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its not the shift pattern that i dislike about the snailshell its the fact that it is so prone to problems and so hard to get parts. on the opposite the audi gearbox is basically problem free and a replacement trans is basically free. your 914 uses a 901 and the g31 is based off the later 915 gearbox. very different transmissions both with their fair share of problems.
as for sway bar sizing your 79 chassis will accept early 944 sway bars no problem. but honestly the stock sizes work very well for most driving. if you go to 16" 205/55 tires with the 944 setup you may want to go with a larger front to get the most out of the tire sizes. ive even driven them with no rear and found the car to be easy to drive hard.
when installing 931/944 5 lug brakes you should use a early 928 master cylinder to keep your x split brake routing and utilize the proper sized master cylinder. the 5 lug 931's used this master cylinder until they change to a front/rear split with the 944. _________________ ive saved alot of 924's
current:
79 MochaSchwartz 931
83 944
87 924S
Instagram @anthoni.jpeg
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Cedric
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 2608 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:15 am Post subject: |
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If the G31 is in decent condition i much prefer the tighter and crisper shifting feel of it, its also lighter and stronger, and very easy to rebuild, the parts can be a hassle, as they aren't always available though.
The standard suspemsion setup is very soft on the 924, 931 and 944 n/a. To make a significant difference you need to look further than those for parts _________________ 1980 924 Turbo
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anthonimartini
Joined: 17 Feb 2020 Posts: 240 Location: portland oregon
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:52 am Post subject: |
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cedric i also really like the g31 when it is in good shape and really like not having the audi faux bellhousing back there but i just couldnt deal with how hard it was to find parts. my g31 torque tube was in really good shape minus one small problem with the input shaft bearing area. i could not find a replacement. so i just sold all that stuff and went with the ole trusty 016. as for the soft suspension, yes they are soft but the softness makes for a great handling and predictable car on the mountain roads around the PNW. not great for smooth tracks where you dont have to worry about a bump mid corner causing your tire to lose contact with the ground. if the roads where i lived were smoother id definitely increase the spring rate and shocks but i dont have that option. at my work i regularly take stock great handling 964's and 911's and install 7000 dollars worth of suspension "upgrades" at the customers request only to make the car slower and more unpleasant to drive 90% of the time. dont get me started on the damn wevo shifters on iffy 915 syncros. i guess im getting to the age where i start appreciating a more stock car. _________________ ive saved alot of 924's
current:
79 MochaSchwartz 931
83 944
87 924S
Instagram @anthoni.jpeg
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Gatornapper
Joined: 23 Oct 2021 Posts: 294 Location: VA
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:40 am Post subject: Will M471 parts from 1981 931 FIT a 1980 931? |
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Guys
I have a possible line on a 1981 931 PoS that has the M471 pkg.
Big question is this......with the parts from the 1981 fit the 1980? Brakes, sway bars, 5-lug hubs?
TIA,
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Gatornapper
Joined: 23 Oct 2021 Posts: 294 Location: VA
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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Priceless information Antoni - thank you so much.
So for the front sway bar I could just order a 944 one from Pelican......I'd like to go with the 23mm that was in the original '80 M471 package.
As to rear, will have to wait to see what's in the car when I get it home.
Gotcha on the 928 master cylinder as well. My 914 has a 911 master cylinder, front brake calipers from 320i.
So thankful some of you guys not only have your own shops, but track your cars. Could not ask for a better source for info.
GN
anthonimartini wrote: | its not the shift pattern that i dislike about the snailshell its the fact that it is so prone to problems and so hard to get parts. on the opposite the audi gearbox is basically problem free and a replacement trans is basically free. your 914 uses a 901 and the g31 is based off the later 915 gearbox. very different transmissions both with their fair share of problems.
as for sway bar sizing your 79 chassis will accept early 944 sway bars no problem. but honestly the stock sizes work very well for most driving. if you go to 16" 205/55 tires with the 944 setup you may want to go with a larger front to get the most out of the tire sizes. ive even driven them with no rear and found the car to be easy to drive hard.
when installing 931/944 5 lug brakes you should use a early 928 master cylinder to keep your x split brake routing and utilize the proper sized master cylinder. the 5 lug 931's used this master cylinder until they change to a front/rear split with the 944. |
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anthonimartini
Joined: 17 Feb 2020 Posts: 240 Location: portland oregon
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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all the brake and suspension parts from the later 931 will fit the 80. i have seen a couple different arrangements for the front sway bar mounts over the years, my 76 was totally different from my current 79 NA. i bolted the sway bars from a donor 84 944 directly to my 79. but my 87 924s had a weird size that i could not find the correct bushings for (the od was too small for the carriers). i still get a bit confused with all the various front sway bar brackets they used. yeah 924's seem to attract good people, i have been involved with all different types of cars over the years and the 924 crowd has been my favorite. were all a bit weird and seem to just have fun building these things. i got my first one back in 08 when i was about 20, i would say im more enthusiastic about them now. i used to love 914's as well but they have gotten a bit too pricey to have fun with. _________________ ive saved alot of 924's
current:
79 MochaSchwartz 931
83 944
87 924S
Instagram @anthoni.jpeg
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