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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 11:27 pm    Post subject: LSD swap potential Reply with quote

I know the G31 is actually an Audi trans. Are there any Audi's that came with a compatible Limited slip diff that could be swapped in?
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 1:26 am    Post subject: Re: LSD swap potential Reply with quote

oharris wrote:
I know the G31 is actually an Audi trans. Are there any Audi's that came with a compatible Limited slip diff that could be swapped in?


G31 is Porsche...The S2 has an Audi. You will need to figure out which one you have for sure

This is the only one I know of but I have not done it or looked deeper. Ideola likely knows the most about all this. Dan has been chasing the LSD for a while

http://www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=23820
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G31 is not the same like 016(Audi box)
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is something I've done quite a bit of research into. Your 931 being a 1980 should have the G31 transaxle but a little confirmation never hurt anybody. http://garage.ideola.com/downloads/G31-Transaxles-PeteTinucci.pdf

There's good info in there.

On to the Limited Slip portion. The G31 transaxle uses some components of the somewhat maligned Porsche 915 transaxle used in 911's for years. The irony being that the G31 and 915 suffer some of the same issues in drive-ability. However! There is good news to be had from that. One of the shared components between the two transaxles is the differential. What does this mean to you? It means the world is your oyster when it comes to LSD.

Clutch type:
http://www.kaazusa.com/lsd_porsche.html

http://www.osgiken.net/products.php?Category2=porsche&SubCat2=915%2F930+type+mt&submit.x=23&submit.y=14&product=lsd

http://www.ppi-ats.com/LSD/LSD_%20appli_Oct_%202010_Porsche1.pdf

Those are the racing clutch type differentials from just a few producers, there are more out there.

Helical Gear type:

https://shop.quaife.co.uk/porsche-911-43t-quaife-atb-helical-lsd-differential

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OBX-LSD-LIMITED-SLIP-DIFFERENTIAL-PORSCHE-78-88-930-924-/161843542029


I did research into this because the well known Quaife diff fits the G31 application and is the exact same differential listed for the 915 transaxle. the OBX diff on Ebay there does the same thing from all vendors (beware quality issues).

So it stands to reason that any 915 specified differential with the 43 spline side gears should fit. I have not had the money to test this theory out yet but it is high on my list when I start building my "track" car.

Hope this helps, good luck and happy hunting.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine is an S1. So I guess it's its own beast and I'd have to find another Porsche? No wonder Ideola is always looking for those.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G31 was not built by Audi (pretty sure it was manufactured for Porsche by Getrag, hence the "G"), nearly the same as the 915 boxes, but with some 931 peculiarities that are well-documented in the above-linked tech guide from Pete Tinucci.

915 had a coarse- and fine-splined diff, I don't remember the different spline counts offhand, should be in that article. I think the G31 uses the fine spline setup (please confirm), so if you look for a 915 swap-in solution, you need to make sure you get the right spline setup.

I have managed to locate five LSD units, but they are all spoken for (Club Sport, 941, DProd tribute, 937, and GTR tribute). Apparently, they are more common here in the states, even though the G31 was only in US cars in 1980, whereas it was in the ALL of the ROW cars.

The best chance to find a G31+LSD is to search for 1980 cars with five-lug + Gullideckel rims. Every LSD I found was on a car so-equipped, but not every car with 5-lug Gullies has LSD. Buying a 915 LSD is going to cost you 911 dollars (shhhhh, don't tell the 915 guys that the G31 LSD fits in their cars!).

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you spent much time driving the car yet? Fwiw, my hot rodded 931 has zero wheelspin/traction issues, including on the track. Not sure why...my 924s race car really needs LSD.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The G31 uses the late type 915/930 fine spline which means you could swap in 930 drive flanges and use the big CV's. You can also buy stub shafts for 930 size CV's.
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and add this to my LSD link file
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rasta Monsta wrote:
Fwiw, my hot rodded 931 has zero wheelspin/traction issues, including on the track. Not sure why...my 924s race car really needs LSD.

Might it have something to do with tire selection and road surface?

My 937 didn't come with an LSD, and I've scared myself more than once taking hard corners on back roads, where the rear-end has stepped out on me. Admittedly, it does not have fresh rubber. I've never had that problem on the CS or 941, but of course, they both have really grippy and reasonably fresh tires.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
Rasta Monsta wrote:
Fwiw, my hot rodded 931 has zero wheelspin/traction issues, including on the track. Not sure why...my 924s race car really needs LSD.

Might it have something to do with tire selection and road surface?

My 937 didn't come with an LSD, and I've scared myself more than once taking hard corners on back roads, where the rear-end has stepped out on me. Admittedly, it does not have fresh rubber. I've never had that problem on the CS or 941, but of course, they both have really grippy and reasonably fresh tires.


I dont think that have anything to do with LSD probably mostly tyres, non LSD cars tend to be easier to push since you get inner wheel spin rather than stepping out the whole rear axle.

It depends on speed versus tyre grip versus track layout versus a lot of more details, but I have some wheelspin in my 931 out of some tricky corners, I wouldnt mind an LSD at all. But not nearly as bad as my stock n/a (only R comp tyres) i drove many years ago. the 931 is way better track setup though..

But thats on track, on the street it wouldnt matter except for maybe some really slippery days.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
Might it have something to do with tire selection and road surface?


It might, I definitely use sticky tires. It is odd though, on boost in low speed corners I can feel the car digging for traction. It does not lift and smoke the inside tire like my race car does. I initially thought it had limited slip!
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