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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:34 pm    Post subject: Windshield woe Reply with quote

I was working on the car yesterday and my shirt cut on something that was hooked to the ceiling, that’s right “was”. It came down directly into my windshield.
Few curse later, I though “maybe I should look into the 944 windshield conversion”

What are the advantages and disadvantages of changing to the 944 style windshield?
Worth it or not?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flush windscreen makes a HUGE difference in wind noise. Toofah setup is awful. If you want to go really nuts, you can pop for the expensive one with integrated antennae, and get rid of the stock one.

I hope you do this, and when you do, PLEASE do a thorough writeup for the Board. I'm doing it soon as well, so I'll add to your thread if I have anything additional that would be useful.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had it done on the red car. The guy used a new tube of windshield goop and cut the nozzle at a steep angle so it would lay a bead about 1" high. He lay the windshield on top and fitted it so it was flush. Then once it was in place he ran a generic strip of trim around, looks great, almost factory. I will post a pic tonight.



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ Rasta
If I go that route, I will do my best document it.

@ Kenodog
Did you used a 924 or 944 windshield?
Please post detail pics

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update

I called 3 windshield shops and prices are between $300-$350 + taxes installed. The lowest one is actually a mobile shop that does the job in your driveway; convenient.
Here the interesting thing, the 3 shop I called have the same windshield listed for 1980 924 and 1983 944.
I read somewhere here that the 944 windshield had a backing piece that makes it sit flush.
When I explain the difference between the 2 models windshield position, none of them foresee any problem installing it flush to the body and they all carry a variety of universal trim for the finish.

So, for the same money, I will definitely go with the flush windshield.
I will make sure to keep my camera close to me and take detail pics of the process.
If all is good with my engine, it should happen in April.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep in mind, you'll have to modify the wiper arms slightly to fit the later windshield (or use 944 wiper arms).

The windshields are all more or less the same, as are the rest of the glass between the 924 and 944. The 944 is really an evolution of the 924 instead of a separate model, so quite a few parts interchange directly or with a bit of modification
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a very straightforward upgrade.

There are 3 types of windshields for the 924/944.

The 924 & early 944 share the same windshield. This is plain glass that sits all the way down in the frame.

There is a version for the late 944 that is plain glass & 1/2" bigger than the 924/early 944 windshield. The extra length is due to the taper in the windshield opening. As the glass is raised up to set flush, the gap on the side gets larger. This windshield is made wider to fit. A generic seal can be used that has a channel that goes around the edge of the glass, its installed on the glass before the windshield is installed.

The third version is glass with antenna & encasement, made to sit flush. The encasement has a channel to hold the trim seal which is pressed in after the glass is installed. The glass is smaller but the overall size is the same as the one above.

The trim studs will likely need to be removed for the flush mount- depends on glass brand- you might find a standard glass that will squeak in without removing them. They will need to be removed for the encasement glass though. I haven't seen a flush mount glass that allows them to stay.


All versions are glued in & use the windshield to strengthen the chassis. There is no version of seal that is roped in like the 911 glass of the same era.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiat22turbo wrote:
Keep in mind, you'll have to modify the wiper arms slightly to fit the later windshield (or use 944 wiper arms).

Thanks for that bit of info, that will save me a headache down the road.


jason c wrote:
This is a very straightforward upgrade.

There are 3 types of windshields for the 924/944.

The 924 & early 944 share the same windshield. This is plain glass that sits all the way down in the frame.

There is a version for the late 944 that is plain glass & 1/2" bigger than the 924/early 944 windshield. The extra length is due to the taper in the windshield opening. As the glass is raised up to set flush, the gap on the side gets larger. This windshield is made wider to fit. A generic seal can be used that has a channel that goes around the edge of the glass, its installed on the glass before the windshield is installed.

The third version is glass with antenna & encasement, made to sit flush. The encasement has a channel to hold the trim seal which is pressed in after the glass is installed. The glass is smaller but the overall size is the same as the one above.

The trim studs will likely need to be removed for the flush mount- depends on glass brand- you might find a standard glass that will squeak in without removing them. They will need to be removed for the encasement glass though. I haven't seen a flush mount glass that allows them to stay.


All versions are glued in & use the windshield to strengthen the chassis. There is no version of seal that is roped in like the 911 glass of the same era.

Thanks

-edit-
More I read this more I get unsure; do I need the early 924/944 or the late 944 windshield?
Or would both could be installed flush?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

924-76 wrote:

-edit-
More I read this more I get unsure; do I need the early 924/944 or the late 944 windshield?
Or would both could be installed flush?
Thanks


You need a late 944 windshield to do a flush mount.
The 924/early 944 glass is not wide enough. As you raise the glass, the distance between the side of the glass & windshield frame increases. If you use the early glass, you won't have enough "meat" on the frame to glue the glass in.

There are 2 late 944 windshields, the plain glass- no antenna or encasement and the encased glass with antenna. Both are the same overall size & used for flush mounting.
The encased one is about double the cost of the plain glass.

Unless your wanting the antenna for some reason, go with the plain glass. There's no difference in the install other than the trim strip & its 1/2 the cost.
If you use the antenna in the antenna glass, you'll also need the antenna booster & 2 cables. The booster & cables turn the wire from the glass into a connection for the radio.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I called back the shop to inquire about the late 944 windshield and...they are all the same.
According to their part catalogue, 80 924, 83 944, 86 944 and 88 944 all use the same windshield part # FW360.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

924-76 wrote:
According to their part catalogue, 80 924, 83 944, 86 944 and 88 944 all use the same windshield part # FW360.


Red flag. . .this is definitely wrong.

Safelite website returns $275 estimate for 924, $475 for late 944.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

924-76 wrote:
So I called back the shop to inquire about the late 944 windshield and...they are all the same.
According to their part catalogue, 80 924, 83 944, 86 944 and 88 944 all use the same windshield part # FW360.


Sound like the finest glass that China can pump out.

Nope, nope, nope.

Find another glass shop, one that uses Sekurit brand glass.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

924-76 wrote:
So I called back the shop to inquire about the late 944 windshield and...they are all the same.
According to their part catalogue, 80 924, 83 944, 86 944 and 88 944 all use the same windshield part # FW360.


This is inline with what other forum member have found out (see post #38 ) http://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-944-951-968-forum/302800-cost-of-aftermarket-windshield-with-antenn-in-the-glass-3.html
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another one:http://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-944-951-968-forum/340114-944-windshield-ballpark-replacement-cost.html

Sounds like most people go for the FW360 and fill the gap.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are pics of the windshield I had put in my red 931. The screen itself is from an early 944 and then a generic trim strip was applied before the urathane dried. . .I am very pleased with the windshield, not so much that I have never driven the car but will have it towed for scrap in a few months because a POS PO lied about the accident history.



It doesn't look the best in the photo's but that's just because it's dirty from sitting for 6 months under a tarp.





I will definitely be doing this to Sabine, it is just 100% better than the fully retarded way they mounted the 931 screen from the factory.




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