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[kye]

[924guy]

ive got about 15 grand wrapped up in both my 924's most of it on the 78 which i spent a ton on before i developed "924 friends and contacts" and learned where to get parts ..no regrets.. and ive driven my monies worth out of them for the most part. however, simple economics does affect "innovation." We have to work more now than ever before to make the same or even less money than we did ten years ago. for repairs, that makes it tough because your faced with either taking off time from work , or trying to work a bit more to pay someelse to do it. the time factor is critcal here and many people simply cant afford to sacrifice hours at their job to have the freedom to spend time to be innovative, and come up with new ideas and implement them. it all becomes a cost vs. consequences decision. Does one invest in the tools, parts and time it takes to complete an idea for an improvement, or just pay someone to fix it "properly" , keep it stock or near stock, and have that vehicle up and running sooner , and be able to spend that precious little free time driving and enjoying it.. anyway, the modern economic climate and politics have certainly put a dent in allot of peoples ability to be innovative. not that the ideas arent there, i just think its allot more difficult now to implement them for the average joe...
As we fall out practice, yes, we loose those skills and become dependant on others to source those needs. Id love to be able to learn how to weld, buy the equipment , and custom built some parts..but my cost vs time ratio simply makes it impossible in most cases..so that $500 pos tube is actually cheaper and faster than learning the process..at least the first time around..on the other hand if i learned the skills required, id save money over the long haul when i need similiar products that require those skills to produce.. the free time factor is directly proportionate to the amount of innovative ideas produced..of that im certain...
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Eric
78 924
82 931 SE "smokey"
99' VehiCross
Y2K Honda Insight
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Performance by Pasha

[cleethorpes]

The badge on the bonnet says it all. Tune 'em up, make 'em faster by allmeans. However, when you consider you're driving a 20 odd year old car, and the 931 can keep up with almost anything on bendy roads, not to mention that 99% of people seem to think you are rich or a snob for owning one..you have to remember that the cars cost not much more(or even less) than a weeks holiday at butlins(fyi butlins is a bit like an even crapier place than that resort in Dirty Dancing, with lots of scummy people!) and thats with our crappy English weather thrown in.

I'm gonna spend a total of around £3500 on mine(inc purchase) and reckon it will see off most of the poncey body kitted boy racer brigade without breaking a sweat.

Oh yeah! and if anyone wants to buy my n/a..it's p for grabs.
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'24 turbo with dodgy gt bodykit......needs a new home

[iwantacarrera]

As a fairly new member (and infrequent poster - due to lack of knowledge at the moment) I have a few things to say on this subject.

Here in the UK the 924 situation isn't great. Many are being crushed as people either don't know, don't care or can't afford the insurance on a 924/931.

As a new owner I find that the lack of parts supply here and the general lack of interest/information is detrimental to keeping the 924 on our roads.

Parts ARE NOT cheap at all as the supply comes from a few specialaists and Ebay predominantly. My GT replica is slowly coming together, but at twice the cost of a similarly equipped Ford model.

Innovation is a must! I would love to take a 931 and fit it with a 'replica' GT kit and intercooler. At the moment thats impractical as I don't have the funds or the knowledge to do so.

The UK needs innovators. The 944/951 market is alive and kicking with new parts and remanufactured components, yet the 924 is scarcely mentioned.

Think of the things on your 924/931 that annoy you. The cracked dash, the split seats, wiring loom fun, 4-5 slug conversions, brake and suspension upgrades.

Surely its about time we nailed these basic problems from an information and component aspect before we worry about the lack of power. I'm all for making the 924 go some, but I feel the basics let us down.

I'm tired of trying to fix 20 year old problems. Can't someone address them once and for all? Surely a website detailing a)the faults and b)the solutions in detail would be a great starter.

Come on - lets get pro-active instead of in-active!

I don't think the board is stagnant, but the 924 culture IS stagnating. Instead of keep hearing each other say its a)too time consuming or b)too expensive why don't we make that judgement for ourselves.

Issues I would like resolved once and for all in a digestible format would be:

Wiring diagrams, fault areas and repair
Brake upgrades
Suspension upgrades
4-5 lug conversion
Wheel fitments
Cracked dashboards
Faded carpets
924/931/937 differences and part number upgrades
Weight reduction
Supplier ratings system

Anyone think this is a turkey? I just feel that a concise site would help pin down these 'stickies' once and for all. I know a few have been covered in varying detail in the FAQ, but its a bit out of date and limited.

Kick me idf you like. Its just my observation as a new P-Car owner.
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1981 Porsche 924/80 Porsche 931 GT rep

[My924gtc]

I do thnk that the general garage could use some updating. A lot of that is dated and I am in no way saying that what we have is not good, but I think we could do ourselves a great justice by revamping the whole site. I agree that a site wide effort should be made to improve the information available, and I for one would be willing to do whatever I can to help.

As far as innovation goes, I think it is all a matter of money. Most of us don't have it and we are all spending alot of time and effort trying to avoid spending it.

Kick me too if you want, but I have to warn you, I kick back.
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MJ
'81 924 2.0L T
'82 924 2.3L SC/EFI <---online fall '06

Sponsor of the 944 Cup and Super Cup
Sponsor of the "2006 Battle in the Badlands"

[iwantacarrera]

Thx for the fast reply MyGTC.

Whats on the site is great, although a little shall we say fractured.

It would be nice to outline more on the GT cars as far as tech specs, part numbers etc and get the info nailed once and for all.

How about some 'How To' articles? I have done them for Ford based forums before with great success.

All in all it would be nice to just lay to rest the most frequently raised topics.

As for innovation, there are a few guys on here Jon (indi9xx), Simsport and Alex Roy for example (there are many more of you out there - I know!) that keep us on the ball. We need to support these guys and their projects where possible.

I'll be looking at an improved ICE install for the 924/931944/951/968 series. As a trained installer it would be nice to optimise the cars acoustics.

I'm sure there are others with suitable skills that could cross over to working on the 924.

People have talked about bodystyling. As an ex Ford/Audi/Merc stylist I am willing to give some design input, could someone else create the moulds I wonder?

Whether its sharing a 924 GRP part for cheaper replication (eg GTR parts) or restyling the car for the next 20 years, surely ideas like these are beneficial?
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1981 Porsche 924/80 Porsche 931 GT rep