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cs · Guest

at what point in racing do you need to have a license and about how much does it cost to go through whatever program you would have to go through to get a license.

924RACR · Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2001 12:51 am Post subject:

Good question!!! This is one of a number of reasons so many people go into drag racing or circle track instead of road racing... those don't require licensing for some time, if at all.

Road racing of any sort, regardless of the sanctioning body, requires a license before you can be allowed to race at all. Usually it's a deal of attend school, get a novice license, and complete a set number of races cleanly without incident before the "novice" tag is lifted.

The exact rules and procedure vary depending on the sanctioning body. If you can give an idea of what your intent is, where you're located, etc., I might be able to answer or at least point you in the right direction. PCA, etc., run substantially different than SCCA, and I don't know how NASA works at all...

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924RACR · Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2001 12:58 am Post subject:

One more thing - most people I run into in this forum talking about taking up racing are talking about building up their 924's into racecars. I strongly recommend that, if possible, you try out racing in a rental car (there's always many to be had at a track) before committing to build or buy your own car. For one thing, you can see if it is all you thought it might be, and truly what you want to do; for another, having had track exposure in an existing car will quickly educate you as to how you want your car built. There are things you won't experience till you're racing that will be very important once on track, such as ergonomics - some things matter very much, others you think will be a problem turn out to be unnoticeable.

You also avoid the rush to try to finish building your car in time to make school!

Finally, it's also a very good idea to find a mentor in your area, certainly someone who's been around the track for a few years, and is willing to help and advise, someone you get along with, and ideally someone who's been in the class you intend to join...

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cs · Guest

well, right now i'm in tennessee and there isn't any type of road racing going on anywhere near me that i know of, but i'll be heading up into michigan soon and i imagine there's a lot more going on up there. how much does the school usually cost, where can i go to find out if there is any racing going on near me. thanks.

cs · Guest

i just went to the scca site, looks like there's a lot more going on around me than i thought.

924RACR · Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2001 10:12 am Post subject:

Hell yeah there's a lot more going on down there... SCCA is due to move down to Kansas soon, after all...

Where in MI will you be moving to? I'm in the Detroit Metro area, and there's plenty of road racing going on all around. Check the links on my homepage.

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cs · Guest

i'll be around flint. the way i understand it is thay you can do the soloII without a license, everything else needs one. i may just do the autocross for a little while since i don't really have any good prospects for a road race car. my 924 has euro pistons, does that count as modified. i don't want to put my 931 through that much abuse and my awd talon is the daily driver. but the point is if i got my license with a rental car, i wouldn't have anything to race with and wouldn't be able to do the minimum amount of races within the time they give you. but would they allow the euro pistons.

924RACR · Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2001 11:20 am Post subject:

Yes, this is correct, and SoloII/Autox is an excellent and cheap way to learn car control.

Road Racing is very expensive!!!!!!!!!!!!

Specifically, the Euro pistons are illegal - slightly too high compression...

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larso · Guest

They say that if you can do solo2, then you can do racing for sure...solo2 is also much safer...I would say it requires more luck/multiple thinking at once (are you good at doing math fast?)/flatter handling car (wishbone) since you are continually changing direction, whereas in racing u are doing one turn at a time most of the time.

larso · Guest

oh yah and it's probably (just a guess) best not to autocross a turbo car if you have the choice between na and turbo

cs · Guest

yeah, turbos do have bad lag, but i think that almost any turbo car would do better than a stock 924 as long as you kept the revs up. and on top of things my 924 is a four speed. i think a 928 would make a nice autocrosser.

stang · Guest

I take it there is some where to race completely stock 931's isnt there. You know where its just stock 931's competing against other stock 931's. Or is it where if you race a turbo you have to race against other brands of turbos. I have no idea what I'm talking about but I would love to try road racing. Lot less chance of killing inocent people playing out on country roads. Plus there isnt speed ticket to be given.

numbers · Guest

Classes are usually determined by horsepower and wheelbase for autocrossing, with displacement and weight coming into play for road racing. So, you are not likely to find a 931 only class unless you can find a 931 club somewhere that sponsors competition. Since autocrosses usually involve fairly tight courses where you rarely get out of third gear, turbo lag becomes a real problem. Low end torque and a light car are the real keys to autocross.

bacook · Guest

AXing a 931 would probably not be that much fun because the boost comes in late and abrupt meaning you get boost just as you start to brake which is upsetting to the car. Also, there is a lot of stress on the engine and then a lot of waiting, which is not particularly good for the truck-derived K26 turbo since it has limited oil cooling.
As for 928s, they seem to understeer a lot in an autocross since they are quite heavy, but the exhaust sound is great! Unless a Miata shows up, I think the best AX cars will be properly set up 924s or 944s.

derecola · Guest

You can now race your stock 931 in the 944 Cup: http://www.944Cup.com. Only safety mods are required.

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