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scm924s
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 Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:33 am Post subject: |
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No one is questioning the amount of work put in, but it is difficult to understand why the details were left.
if it was an exercise for personal satisfaction, then obviously you can complete how you wish.
If it is for commercial gain, then the high end buyers that would be looked for would almost certainly be knowledgeable on the detail, as would museums and buyers wishing to show.
Not many would invest that time and effort into a 924 and it is to be commended, but please, just do it properly, details matter.
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jason c
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| BTRacing wrote: | NOTE
for all of the haters and smart ass guys here-show me the level of your attention to details and hi level of your restoration jobs on those cars.
We can find here few excellent builds but unfortunately most of 924 either here or on other forums is in rather poor condition and fixed on super low budget or no budget at all.
In my opinion this one is the best I have seen so far in 924 world.
I would like to see a volunteer here ,who can came close with the budget, quality of work or documentation of the build as one seen above.
Go ahead and post it and then comment in negative way.
It happened that I am in the business of working on various vintage and classic European cars and I know exactly how much time it takes to make them perfect or as close to perfect as customers budget will allow me to do so.
You know, I can keep polishing one bolt for whole day as long as someone will pay for it  |
How can you proclaim it the best from a few pics?
I guess I'm not as easily impressed as some are.
As it happens, I have been doing bare tub restorations for almost 20 years now (the 1st shop I worked for did high end European car restorations as well as mechanical repair) and I do restorations on the transaxle series on a routine basis. I don't question the effort & I doubt there's anyone here who knows the effort it takes more than I do.
Since, for whatever reason (it seems to be geared towards the selling of the car or future services) they've decided to make a manifesto on their restoration & how it was done right but leave out the details on how & why, I question the restoration practices. They call out the previous paint job as poor but don't remove it (you can see many layers still on the car when they prime it). In addition to the old paint, they state that the body had rust but didn't blast it. The photos & explanation lead me to believe they knocked the loose rust off & used an encapsulator (basically they just painted over the rust).
I'm sure he spent a lot of money having the body painted but does look like he cheapened out a bit by not stripping it completely & using cheaper materials where he could get away with it.
He makes an attempt to save the carpet because he wants it as close to original as possible but the carpet he puts in isn't trimmed as the factory did. I have searched high & low for a proper match to factory carpet- there isn't one, so I understand that you have to settle for something close but why finish it like an aftermarket set?
The dynamat & aluminum foil heat shield on the firewall are just tacky, why not do them as the factory did or leave the firewall bare like the later cars?
Im not saying is garbage but there's just a lot of little details that were done wrong or left out completely. For all the effort put into the documentation, they focused on some of the mundane & a lot was skipped over on the key points.
The mechanicals appear to be the best part of the restoration & they don't even show them finished? |
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BTRacing
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Well,I agree and disagree.
There is usually few parts that can be done better. Still it does not change a fact that so far this is the best NA street 924 build out there.
On the other hand it is not Ferrari 246 Dino or Duesenberg and this car after spending $120K on the proces still is NA Porsche 924 worth mid to high $20k.
Considering that part I think I would save some money as well.
I am redoing 1976 Porsche 930 for the customer right now.Car was cut up badly and had 959 wanna be body kit installed. We have to pick where to stop as some of the major parts are impossible to find-like wide body made from scratch at Porsche shop,they hand made flares and weld them on to the body. We can not make it perfect for my customers budget.
And that is exactly my point. We have to make decision where to say it is good enough for time,money and parts availability.
Also our project is actually $200k early 3.0 non intercooled 930-NOT NA 924....
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jason c
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| BTRacing wrote: | Well,I agree and disagree.
There is usually few parts that can be done better. Still it does not change a fact that so far this is the best NA street 924 build out there.
On the other hand it is not Ferrari 246 Dino or Duesenberg and this car after spending $120K on the proces still is NA Porsche 924 worth mid to high $20k.
Considering that part I think I would save some money as well.
I am redoing 1976 Porsche 930 for the customer right now.Car was cut up badly and had 959 wanna be body kit installed. We have to pick where to stop as some of the major parts are impossible to find-like wide body made from scratch at Porsche shop,they hand made flares and weld them on to the body. We can not make it perfect for my customers budget.
And that is exactly my point. We have to make decision where to say it is good enough for time,money and parts availability.
Also our project is actually $200k early 3.0 non intercooled 930-NOT NA 924.... |
I have seen better 924 restorations. Maybe the 924 world is still too new to you. There is no way that or any other 924 N/A is pulling 25K+. I have seen a couple recent low mileage excellent condition cars go for around 3k recently. As I'm sure you know, an original car is always worth more in similar condition. You could buy several original, low mileage cars for what you estimate that to be worth.
If you really believe the numbers your throwing out, you cant pass this one up.. [/url]http://www.924board.org/viewtopic.php?t=41724
You can't make customers problems your own. You can only do what they pay for. It would be different if you were claiming perfection & not providing it. I think there's a lot more wrong with that 924 than you're noticing.
I have a 930, I'm aware how they're made. Last I knew, the 930 flairs were still available, no?
I go the extra mile for my customers, probably further than I should but they're happy. I did far more on Kevin's car than he expected & did it for less than the other 2 shops quoted him for a commercial quality job.
Because it was a repair, not a restoration, there's only so much I could do. Btw, have you seen it yet? |
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BTRacing
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jason c
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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I don't have Facebook so I can't see it. 
I assume the ones you ordered are the later version?
The early cars had the flairs welded on to the standard quarters, the late cars had one piece quarters.
Not sure if it would be cost effective but you could probably get standard quarters easily & add the flairs so you have a factory type quarters. Buying quarters from Porsche can't be cheap. 
Since the 930 took people by surprise when the boost came on, many were wrecked (widowmaker). Later style quarters on an early car would be a dead giveaway.
I guess it depends on what your expectations are. |
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ideola
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uncledoodoo
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| Good buy for someone who wants a restored 924. In the restoration world, it sucks to be the guy who pays for the restoration and its great to be the guy who buys it already restored. |
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michaelodonnell123
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 12:45 am Post subject: |
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I am very impressed that they spent the money and time on a 924 instead of a 911. It looks great.
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Mike9311
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 3:15 am Post subject: |
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| michaelodonnell123 wrote: | | I am very impressed that they spent the money and time on a 924 instead of a 911. It looks great. |
I agree exactly. Before commenting here, I went through the whole document and this was an awesome undertaking. A 924 NA no less and nicely done
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Mike9311
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 3:28 am Post subject: |
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...and BTR, I have a friend who is actually stacking them 
Me? I have just been hoarding them since 1989
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CorsePerVita
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:26 am Post subject: |
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Holy hell. Mad respect and huge respect to detail. That is an amazing job, and so well documented.
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