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Aussie931

Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 55 Location: Canberra
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: Decel Valve |
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Does anyone know if the vacuum limiting valve on the vacuum line harness or the check valve hanging off the end of one of the vacuum hoses is a.k.a the deceleration valve? I am trying to isolate the decel valve but am unsure exactly which one it is. _________________ 1979 Series 1 924 turbo |
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Smoothie

Joined: 01 Jan 2003 Posts: 8032 Location: DE (the one near MD, PA, NJ)
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:12 am Post subject: |
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The vacuum limiting valve is aka the decelleration valve. In this pic <click>, it's located 1/3 from the bottom and 1/3 from the left - a disk shaped part mounted standing on edge (just below the "T" in that metal pipe). I'm about 99% sure all 931's got the same one. I know the 924na version is different. Once you've found it don't lose it - they're expensive little buggers.  _________________ "..it's made in Germany. You know the Germans always make good stuff."
'82 924T, US version, dark green metallic, 5 speed Audi 016G gearbox |
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Aussie931

Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 55 Location: Canberra
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:18 am Post subject: |
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Thanks! _________________ 1979 Series 1 924 turbo |
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Tigger937

Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 919 Location: PCA Milwaukee Region
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Smoothie wrote: | | Once you've found it don't lose it - they're expensive little buggers. |
Any way to repair them? Mine hangs up once in a while resulting in a high idle. _________________ 1981 931 (Concours)
1982 931 (Daily Driver)
"Think outside the box" |
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Smoothie

Joined: 01 Jan 2003 Posts: 8032 Location: DE (the one near MD, PA, NJ)
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:07 am Post subject: |
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Tigger937 - Are you sure it's the decel valve that's causing the high idle? Series 2 have the intake air temp sensor.. I found my high idle (especially when very cold) was related to that air temp sensor circuit. Next time you find it wailing away, try unplugging the sensor to see if that doesn't drop the idle. If it does, you can install a momentary switch to "reset" it from the drivers seat. I have instructions for it somewhere here, so let us know...
As far as repairing the decel valve - I don't know, but my guess is no. _________________ "..it's made in Germany. You know the Germans always make good stuff."
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Tigger937

Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 919 Location: PCA Milwaukee Region
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Smoothie wrote: | Tigger937 - Are you sure it's the decel valve that's causing the high idle? Series 2 have the intake air temp sensor.. I found my high idle (especially when very cold) was related to that air temp sensor circuit. Next time you find it wailing away, try unplugging the sensor to see if that doesn't drop the idle. If it does, you can install a momentary switch to "reset" it from the drivers seat. I have instructions for it somewhere here, so let us know...
As far as repairing the decel valve - I don't know, but my guess is no. |
Well, I replaced the air sensor earlier this year after I broke the tip off the old one and that didn't fix it. Then I sprayed some silicon down the vacuum control port of the decel valve and walla, that took care of it for a while. But now it's back again. _________________ 1981 931 (Concours)
1982 931 (Daily Driver)
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Smoothie

Joined: 01 Jan 2003 Posts: 8032 Location: DE (the one near MD, PA, NJ)
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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It's not the air temp sensor going bad that causes the high idle.. It seems to be low temperature, DITC's processing of the low temp reading and possibly also the influence of an incorrect idle speed setting (which affects idle timing on DITC cars). I had it happening regularly about 2 years ago, wired up my momentary switch as a "quick" fix, then the following year (after more fiddling with the idle speed), I don't think I had to use the switch once. -So I'm thinking the high idle may actually be a symptom of incorrect idle speed (and some crappei decision making on the part of the DITC box).
(DITC = "device intended to confuse" (aka- "digital ignition timing control") on 931 series 2 cars)
btw- silicone very bad for o2 sensors and if I'm remembering correctly, cat converters also. _________________ "..it's made in Germany. You know the Germans always make good stuff."
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Tigger937

Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 919 Location: PCA Milwaukee Region
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| Smoothie wrote: | | It's not the air temp sensor going bad that causes the high idle.. It seems to be low temperature, DITC's processing of the low temp reading and possibly also the influence of an incorrect idle speed setting (which affects idle timing on DITC cars). I had it happening regularly about 2 years ago, wired up my momentary switch as a "quick" fix, then the following year (after more fiddling with the idle speed), I don't think I had to use the switch once. -So I'm thinking the high idle may actually be a symptom of incorrect idle speed (and some crappei decision making on the part of the DITC box). |
Hmmm, interesting. I'll have to look into that, but that won't happen for a while. Seems I spoke too soon in another thread about my turbo longevity. My turbine has seized, housing cracked and have a cracked EM to boot. Not a good week. Any suggestions on a reputable shop for the rebuild?
| Smoothie wrote: | (DITC = "device intended to confuse" (aka- "digital ignition timing control") on 931 series 2 cars) | I'll buy that.
| Smoothie wrote: | | btw- silicone very bad for o2 sensors and if I'm remembering correctly, cat converters also. | What cat? As for the O2 sensor,  _________________ 1981 931 (Concours)
1982 931 (Daily Driver)
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