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hmm, I'll stoke the fire a little...

>>>People forget that George W only barely got elected to start with and under dubious circumstance
"In this country, those with the most electoral votes wins. There is nothing "barely" about it. "

That election was one of the closest in US history. Regardless of who won, the winner barely made the cut. The real test is what happened after- "uniter not a divider", eh? That campaign slogan didn't seem to work out too well. You can bet that had Gore won FL, and his brother was governor of the state, that the republicans would have kicked and screamed just like the democrats. Whining has always been bi-partisan.


>>>i think an i.q. test is now needed for presidential candidates.
"President Bush is a fighter pilot, an Ivy league grad, has a Harvard MBA, and was elected the Governor of Texas. Please feel free to post your "credentials" for comparison. "

I don't really consider anyone who has snorted coke, been arrested for a DUI, driven every company he's ever been in charge of into the ground, gone AWOL, and maintained a "c" average in college an intelligent person. If you think Bush's academics got him into an Ivy school then you're not very familiar with the admissions process. These schools openly admit that family $$ and standing play a considerable role in admissions. After all, image is just as important as academic rigor to these institutions. And maybe it's just me, but I would consider anyone pulling a "c" average as, well, average. Maybe even less so; even the most dim-witted students I have met are able to raise their gpa above a 2.0. In fact, I've neither known nor heard of anyone graduating college with a 2.0 average. If you want, I'll post my credentials. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

>>>Bush drags australia into the Iraq war

Unfortunately, our Aussie friends seem to be embracing the darker side of capitalism lately and have been schmoozing up to the US much the same as the UK. It doesn't seem to be a reflection of the people of these countries- all the Aussies and Brits I know are about as liberal as they come and dislike the action (granted these are folks in academia- and one is a comedian

>>>Its the god bless america that really gets me,i interpret that as its o.k. to kill in the name of christianity,but not in the name of alah,
"However, if you hit America, we tend to hit back... hard. "

Ah, I forgot, Sadam was really the mastermind behind the trade towers not that other guy who Bush "frankly doesn't care about" anymore- anyone remember his name...?

>>>Like it or not its another vietnam

With hindsight, I think the history books are going to draw a lot of comparisons between these two wars.

"You claim that President Bush has done everything wrong and that's ok as everyone is entitled to their opinion It would be nice however, if those (including Senator Kerry) who think everything was done incorrectly, would point out what they think the "right thing" was. Here's the hard part: You can't base your argument (as Mr. Kerry now does) on what you think you know today but instead on what was known at the time the very diffucult decision had to be made. "

Kerry's idea was to draw more international support from the beginning. Had this happened, Iraq would be in much better shape right now. Think about it, if one person tells you that your jokes aren't funny then you're just going to think they have no sense of humor. If 20 people tell you that your jokes aren't funny, you're going to take a look at your material. Now apply this to unilateral vs. multilateral invasion of a country; pretty simple psychology. This is not to mention that the US should be tip-toeing around the mid-east for it's support of Isreal to begin with. Did we really think Iraq was going to be best buddies with a nation that supports their (and the rest of the muslim world's) sworn enemy? This is delusional at best, and at worst- well, it's the news we are hearing daily on the radio about more of our kids getting killed over there.

We do agree on one thing- get out and vote!

nick

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Put me in office, then you will see a real leader!
1st law passed, buy all the 924's out there and put them on display.

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I wouldn't get much done for you guys but at least you would be able to see the difference between a regular guy in office and Bush. A lot of people think he's an idiot, a lot think he is crazy. I think he could do a better job, that's for sure but anyone can always do a better job of running a country. I don't know if Kerry would be better but I do know one thing. You shouldn't end up like Canada, throwing people out of office after one term is what we do. Instead give your boss several years to produce results. You can't turn an entire country aroud in one term, elect a leader instead of some guy to fill the boots of a man you boot out. We all need a leader, not a seat warmer.

[Eturbo924]

Wow coke snorter. Where is your proof. Nice to point fingers and acuse as Liberals usualy do.. hahaha Nick come on.

Hey have you seen the comparisons of the itel of the two candidates? Testing seems to say Bush smarter. I can give you a link if you like.... even Kerry spoke about it on MSNBC.

Oh and also. Awol? How about Kerry releasing his records? Do not try to tell me he did or I will slap you down hard

Guess why? He admitted it on MSNBC. I would also love to give you a link on that if you like.

Same interview when he talked of the smarts so to speak if you want to do a search.

Reason he has not released his records? Because they would show that the swift boat vets and other vets are correct and he is a liar.

Otherwise.... why not release them?

Also ... try to say Bush did not release his.... sorry he did and AP reported it.

I agree. Get out and vote. Vote for your beliefs not your party.
Want strong defence... vote Bush
Do not believe in Partial birth abortion ... vote Bush
Want lower taxes... Vote Bush
Believe that the poor deserve the money of those who go to work and pay taxes... Vote Kerry.
Want the UN to run our lives... Vote Kerry.
Want the Government to run our lives... Vote Kerry.

If anyone wants to check out Kerrys history in the Senate... then debate.... that is fine.
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[Eturbo924]

There is a reason why many democrats are voting for Bush. Yes he might still loose. I admit that. I pray he does not. But anyway read these from Quite popular Democrats.

http://nerepublican.blogspot.com/2004/07/why-bush-must-win.html

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/rnc/nyc-zellspeech,0,2788444.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines

Todays Liberal Democrat party is not the same party of our parrents. This is why I have changed my party from .... yes.... Massachusetts Democrat... to NH independant (actually called unenrolled).

I agree with the two men above.
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[Eturbo924]

One other thing I was wondering.

The latest reports on the Osama tape. Upon having time to really go over what he said. Experts are saying that he dirrectly threatened the "red states". They are saying he specifially used the words to say red states... not the united states.

He said he would attack those states that voted for Bush... in other words against him.

Why do you think he wants to put Kerry in the white house?

If you do not believe me. Which for some reason even though I have posted and helped this site for years... some still think I am making things up... anyway do a search on the topic. You will find what I am saying.

Why would anyone vote for a candidate that our sworn enemi... some one who ordered the death of over 3000 Americans.... has all but come out and say VOTE KERRY?

How... how how?

Scares me to think that some would ignore that threat and not react with a vote for Bush to erradicate this scum.
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Stu2j wrote:
‘You claim that President Bush has done everything wrong and that's ok as everyone is entitled to their opinion It would be nice however, if those (including Senator Kerry) who think everything was done incorrectly, would point out what they think the "right thing" was. Here's the hard part: You can't base your argument (as Mr. Kerry now does) on what you think you know today but instead on what was known at the time the very difficult decision had to be made.’

The reason so many people spoke out against GWB’s invasion policy is that they could see exactly what was going to happen after the war. Here is something I wrote to another board member during a private discussion in March 2003:

‘We Westerners believe in democracy and have experienced the benefits it brings. Before democracy though we had to work through many centuries of tribalism, warlords, local kings, feudal kings, high kings, anointed kings, kings with limits, kings with cabinets and finally constitutional kings or presidents. This does not happen overnight and many people in the world are still at tribal level and cannot make that huge leap in 50 - 100 years. The idea of saving the world through democracy is naive at the least and arrogant at the worst. The US is good at war and will naturally defeat Saddam but the administration has no idea of the needs and desires of different cultures and looks doomed to fail at peace. After all it took the West 500 years of gradual change to become ready for democracy itself.’

The ‘right thing’ to do at the time, if invasion was really necessary, would have been under the auspices of the UN. At least then there would not have been this massive backlash against the US. It was just a mad rush to displace French and Russian oil interests in Iraq with US interests [the Corporations] as was done with the oil pipeline in Afghanistan.

Eturbo, I don’t recall Osama saying vote for Kerry. What he said was vote against Bush, a big difference. Conservative estimates put the Iraqi death toll since the end of hostilities at 100,000 people. Some liberation! This in a country that played no part in 9/11.

Most people in the world would prefer to see Bush kicked out. Then there might be a chance of getting together and cleaning up the mess he has left behind.
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[Khal]

Just a quick question about FahrenHYPE 9/11 that you blokes are talking about...

Who made it? I'll get a copy but from this review, seems like it just someone doing Moore fat jokes, not a rebuttal of the accusations Moore makes?

BTW, here's an interesting news story about Osama saying he's going to bankrupt the U.S. I doubt he can do it... Still, Bush keeps saying, "no matter what..."

(also, FYI, the ABC here has nothing to do with the Yank ABC, just in case there's any confusion)

Just for a chuckle
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The important thing is to get out and vote.

I'm voting for the guy who's gonna' buy all the 924's and put them on display! I'll sell you mine for one mmmmiiiiiiiiiiillllllllliiiiiiiiooooooonnnnnn dollars.

We're watching important history in the making folks. Those of us that can, must be participants. It's imperative you vote. Like they say in Chicago, "vote early, vote often".

I'm more concerned about how the winner/loser conducts himself after the election. I hope they have the cajones to back away gracefully and not tear apart the country with lawsuit after lawsuit. I'm not as worried about the candidates as I am about the political party's leaders like Terry McCoulough (sp?) that seems to have an axe to grind with this entire country and is willing to drag this thing into the courts for some personal vendetta. There's whackos on both sides but that guy really scares me.

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Don't change your vote because Osama Bin Laden says not to vote for someone. How do you know that he doesn't actually want Bush to get elected. I mean Bush went after Sadamm not him. Just because most americans don't understand other cultures doesn't mean that other cultures don't understand us. As far as you know Osama is trying to get Bush elected by telling americans not to vote for him and threating to attack if they do, figuring that will piss americans off and they will vote for Bush.

I don't care what university you went to if you only have a C average. Tell me would you fell comfortable that your brain surgon only had a C average at medical school? I get ticked if I don't get straight A's, even taking 23 credits, working full time and getting sent out of town for 3 weeks just before finals the worst grade I got was a C+ that semester I also had an A- and 4 A's. I will retake the class I got the C+ in. Right now I have a 3.88GPA after this semester I'm hoping it will be back above 3.9.
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[Eturbo924]

This is what OSAMA SAID.

Osama bin Laden's recent statement that "any state that does not mess with our security, has naturally guaranteed its own security". Translation?.... If you vote for the man that is attacking us... 75% of known Alkiada (sp) is dead or captured..... will be attacked. This is what all the experts agree he said in translation.

So... what does that say to you. Also I did not say he said that... I said he all but came out and said that. See the difference.

Also anyone that thinks Osama wants the Bush administration still in power is foolish. Anyone that thinks Kerry is going to fight as tough a war as Bush is is foolish. Look at what Zell Miller said... evidence is there and he laid it all out.

One last piece of proof for all those history buffs out there who are trying to argue against me. What did Kerry do in the first gulf war when just about the entire world stood up and said Sadam get out or we will get you out? Hmmm. passes the "global test" UN is backing the action.....

Well.... anyone? Kerry voted against it. Hello... do you not see the danger here?

Also. I know I brought this upon myself by posting it here but I would like it a bit more if the non Americans would not bash America so much. Men like Kerry are the ones you need to worry about. He is the one bashing the coalition we have now. He is the one saying they are the bribed and coerced. How are you going to bring along nations to help you if you basically say what there are doing is nothing?

I praise all those countries who have fighting men and women there. They are being shot at and getting killed also. Who is Kerry to say that they are not just as important! If you think he has not said this you had better wake up and see if you can watch the debates again. HE DID!!!!

All you in the UK and Aussies and those from Japan and all the others who have people there need to see Kerry for what he is.

It might be too late anyway. Polls are very close. I just pray enough people see what Kerry is. Finger in the air politician and a pacifist who will give control of this nations fighting force over to our enemis.
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[Eturbo924]

More evidence in support of my talking points above.

http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SA1404
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I am registered and just voted for Kerry. I hope he wins and helps to restore our credibility in the world, especially the Muslim world.

Now that the Washington Redskins lost to the Green Bay Packers this past Sunday history has shown that since 1946 ever time in an election year that Washington Redskins loses, the incumbent will also lose on Election Day.

In this country the Bush suppporters are just as vocal to see him win again as we are to see him leave. It's rather an interesting dynamic.

On low voter turnouts, In the US, the Federal gorvernment could easily help to increase participation levels if they changed the election laws to allow a lot more voter participation. In Australia, they vote on Saturday, well no wonder why they had such a high turnout. In this country laws are crafted by both political parties to make voting more difficult, not less difficult. Why not have folks in this country vote over the course of a week? or weekend? Why can't we allow people to vote on line? The technology exists to do so. In yet both political parties talk about fairness and civic responsibility but don't want to make it easier for hard working Americans to vote when it's convienent for them.

In my opinion, Democrats would win the majority of elections held nationwide if the voting system were to be changed. Maybe that's why there is really no serious effort to change federal election laws. For example, it would only take one Republican Senator in the U.S. Senate to secretly put a hold on election reform legislation and then the legislative process would end there. It's happened in the past and will again in the future.

So, for example, if the U.S. House of Representatives passes election reform legislation by a wide margin and public opinion, political commentators, the media etc all vocally support making changes to election laws, and internal data (Senate whip counts) suggests that a majority of Senators would also likely support election reform legislation, in the Senate if it were brought to the floor for a vote, it would only take one person to step in the way and stop the legislative process.

That's exactly what happended after the results of the 2000 Presidential election.

Just my two cents. Unfortunately I know more about U.S. politics than I do about fixing my 924 race car
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[Eturbo924]

Hey glad you got out there and voted.

Yes I think there should be some changes in the system. like all those who want to vote have to register and have the proper identification to vote! Most states do not require any ... ANY!!!!!! positive ID in order to vote. And if anyone suggests that you do... wholly smokes you are a racist!

Unbelieveable!!!! You need to prove you are who you are and people think you are a racist.

Well turn out is going to be largest in history. Hey one more indicator. Children have voted on the election since 1960 and only been wrong twice. They predicted a land slide victory for Bush.

Hey I wonder what the Dems will say if Bush does loose but wins the popular vote?

Hey one other thing. Many quite large changes have been made. Hello.... many states started voting up to two weeks before Nov 2nd! Also what about the provisional ballot. No need to prove who you are or even register just ask for a provisional ballot and you can vote and vote often.

Here is the thing. If you are too lazy or too stupid to get off your butt and get down to register before the dead line and vote on Nov 2nd.... you should not vote. Period. Those have been our laws for hundreds of years and worked. Why should be change because some people are too stupid to figure them out.

I am so sick of people saying we should change all our fundamental laws and beliefs because a small minority wants it. How about the vast majority that want it as it is and are smart enough to know when and how and where.

Ohy

Oh 4 votes for Bush in NH that just years ago would have gone Democrat in Mass.... put in this morning by my Family. All now NH independents.

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"...in the Senate if it were brought to the floor for a vote, it would only take one person to step in the way and stop the legislative process. "

Ahhh...you mean someone like....um, let's see...TOM DASHCLE?!

Your ideas are very good but I don't believe the technology exists as you think.

What's wrong with paper ballots? And in most states, if not all, you DO have an extended amount of time to vote, not just today. I've been listening to reports about how Florida started voting last week already. The turnout won't change unless the attitude changes. If you are in a state where you have the option to vote absentee, vote early or vote today only, then it's up to you to get there and do it. Too many want someone to come to their house and do it for them. If you're (not you personally) too lazy to get out and vote within the constraints of the law, then you're (again, not you personally) probably too lazy to learn about the current topics or candidates.

Sure, the Democrats would LOVE to have those people especially. They want the people who respond to the message of "Here's what I'll give you for free if you vote for me". But you and I know it's never free. Someone has to pay somewhere. And don't tell me the rich will just have to pay more. The numbers simply don't add up.

Damn, I promised myself I wouldn't get into one of these threads and here I am. Crap.

Yes, I voted today. Early this morning. Some guy came in and was standing in line with a "Kerry/Edwards" sticker on his jacket. I mentioned it to one of the volunteer workers and he made him remove it. Illegal here to have any campaign literature displayed within 200ft. of the polling location. Bastards!