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Topls82  



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:41 am    Post subject: Which billet compressor wheel ? Reply with quote

Guys
I am sending my turbo for rebuild and modest improvements (not for race).
Majestic suggested I send along an upgraded billet compressor wheel
My blue plate has these numbers on my 1981 Turbo
K26 26604GA 4.10
5326 970 6022

What’s the recommended billet (KTS ?)
thanks for assistance
Frank
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last time i checked the small 2660 wasnt available as a billet wheel, but that was a while ago. Have a scroll through the KTS catalogue to start with. Im not sure if there is enough meat to machine the housing for a larger trim wheel, that would give a noticeable stronger top end, even at standard euro boost.

My s2 931 put out 168hp at the hubs, just the larger 2664 compressor wheel and s1 wg spring 0.7bar as mods.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:04 am    Post subject: Billet compressor wheel Reply with quote

After reviewing some posts and available billet compressor wheels
Original wheel #5326 123 2007
Turbo part # 931 123 012.05
Marta 9 blade full flow K26K26-7007-54.5/64.4 ….suppose to be. Correct upgrade but not sure ..

So yours is a 2664 ? And is a direct fit ?
Also thought I saw some discussion for 2660 ?
Please enlighten me on the use of a Series 1 Wastegate spring vs 2
Some posts suggest an increase above .7 bar

Your setup and power would be quite acceptable

Thanks for assistance
Frank
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:53 am    Post subject: Re: Billet compressor wheel Reply with quote

Topls82 wrote:
After reviewing some posts and available billet compressor wheels
Original wheel #5326 123 2007
Turbo part # 931 123 012.05
Marta 9 blade full flow K26K26-7007-54.5/64.4 ….suppose to be. Correct upgrade but not sure ..

So yours is a 2664 ? And is a direct fit ?
Also thought I saw some discussion for 2660 ?
Please enlighten me on the use of a Series 1 Wastegate spring vs 2
Some posts suggest an increase above .7 bar

Your setup and power would be quite acceptable

Thanks for assistance
Frank


According to the KKK software the wheel ending with 2007 was valid up until 1984, then the same number but engine with 2017 up until 1995 and then a interchangeable number that ends with 2036

Which in the KTS world would be this one after some digging through their catalouge
https://www.ktsturbobilletx.com/K26-MFSK261C?search=261

That seem to be a drop in replacement pretty much, without modifying the compressor housing itself. There are slightly larger wheels aswell

In the US the 2664 is the ones on the s1 turbos which can be swapped over, but you can never be sure what turbo is actually on the cars since the replacements were a bit random over the years.

This is boost levels with Euro stuff though, US springs have lower pressure, but a boost regulator to the top port of the waste gate can easily make it adjustable. The ignition curve on the US s2 is unknown territory for me aswell

With 0,7 bar and this setup I could run on track for however much i wanted reliably, i wouldnt go much beyond it because these engines arent that far from the knock limit.

I put a billet wheel in my current turbo (although the compressor is from 944 turboS) and it performs incredibly well, together with the IC it boost earlier than what it did before, and has alot of power capacity.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 9:40 am    Post subject: Billet compressor wheel Reply with quote

Cedric
Thanks a lot for digging…!!
Seems this one will do the trick !

This research is not easy with lists of numbers that are endless..
Your setup is quite a mix of parts that integrate well for your needs

Much appreciate your efforts
Now onto my next challenge of vendor to rebuild my
AAV - Bosch 0 280 140 220

Quick overview of my engine is bought car with not running engine
It turns by hand …so I only want to rebuild just one time so am sourcing
All the parts for complete rebuild of all components …everything !

Great resource here on site with experts like you assisting
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Frank
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 10:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Billet compressor wheel Reply with quote

Topls82 wrote:
Cedric
Thanks a lot for digging…!!
Seems this one will do the trick !

This research is not easy with lists of numbers that are endless..
Your setup is quite a mix of parts that integrate well for your needs

Much appreciate your efforts
Now onto my next challenge of vendor to rebuild my
AAV - Bosch 0 280 140 220

Quick overview of my engine is bought car with not running engine
It turns by hand …so I only want to rebuild just one time so am sourcing
All the parts for complete rebuild of all components …everything !

Great resource here on site with experts like you assisting
Regards
Frank


Nor sure its worth rebuilding the AAV, maybe someone around here have a working one in their stash?

Single sourcing of components is a bit diffcult with these engines, normally you have to buy stuff from several suppliers. EBS-racing used to be a good place for US guys, there are surely others, but some parts like crank bearings etc is not something you find everywhere.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My air admittance valve (we're talking about the idle compensator that allows more air when cold, then closes down as the engine warms up, right?) has always worked fine; only thing I've done to it is spray a little brake cleaner in and blow it out with compressed air. I think they're a pretty low-failure component, so maybe not worth monkeying with if you can find a used one.

On the bearings, I found a set on ebay, and that's might be the easiest way to find a set. The ones I got are pretty far undersized, so the crank will need machining when I use them. I suspect it'll be easier to find bigger undersizes because most people wouldn't put a motor back together without replacing the bearings, but not many would have the crank machined (even if it needed it). So the undersizes were more likely to sit on a shelf until a seller or wholesaler consolidated.

Anyway, like Cedric said, it's likely to take some shopping to do a rebuild, but it's possible and not drastically expensive if the pieces are all procured ahead of time. Only trouble is, given how rare some things are (like main bearings), that could mean starting sometime next month, or sometime next year...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:57 pm    Post subject: Billet compressor wheel Reply with quote

Guys
Sent info to KTS to order and the K261 which is a 9 week lead time
However they suggested K267 available…the profile drawings looks slightly
Taller ?
anyone have experience with this model ?
Perhaps machine the housing ?
Thanks again for assistance
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 267 is what they say is the "performance" design, its pretty much the type of wheel i have, with the taller wheel and extended tip design which kinda simulates a slightly larger wheel (by a little). No mods were needed on the housing.

I couldnt find the 267 anywhere in their online store, so I assumed they didnt sell those.

2670 vs 2670 billet, i wish he used a smaller hub nut, though it doesnt matter that much, very little of the compressor work is done at the center of the bladdes. The 2670 is pretty similar in blade design to your wheel, but it has a significantly larger inlet (70% of the diameter instead of 60% of the diameter).


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:30 am    Post subject: Billet wheel Reply with quote

Cedric
Great info again !
They sent me an up dated catalog but it was way to much info….
They said their site info is not upto date…
Glad to hear no mods …
Think I will go with it

Thanks
Again
Frank
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:34 am    Post subject: Billet wheel Reply with quote

Cedric
Great info again !
They sent me an up dated catalog but it was way to much info….
They said their site info is not upto date…
Glad to hear no mods …
Think I will go with it

Thanks
Again
Frank
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a 2660. I have to find the info (Volvo Penta and others)

Isn't this it?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276131563017

I rebuilt the '82 k26 on my list with one similar. Can't remember but I might have had to machine down the nose tip in a lathe (-3mm or so) but otherwise no mods. I also think this was the 267 model you are referring to. Checking my pics about the machining part. Will post

This was in my notes
TRITDT Item No.
- 405-9901K-267
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think its machined already in the pic. Sorry pics are big







Lock nut and red loctite. White mark on nut was from balancing

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not all K26 shafts have equal length, as ive also noticed that. Which i think might be the reason you had to take down the nose of the wheel.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The new replacement shaft I used on the 2667 build was longer and would have worked just fine with this 2660 wheel. Plus it had a reverse thread so the nut can't come off.
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