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gideongreen  



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:43 pm    Post subject: Car won't start Reply with quote

Hi,

My 924 was driving fine, just a slight cold start issue occasionally, until I foolishly ran out of petrol.

I put some fuel in, but now it won't start at all. It won't even turn over, it will click once, then nothing.

I thought it was the battery, but I tried jump starting it and that didn't work and looking over the service history it has recently had a new battery.

Any help on this would be much appreciated!!

Thanks very much!!
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michaelodonnell123  



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe your fuel pump is not working right. Do some searching on how to troubleshoot that.
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jason c  



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you turn the engine by hand?
If so...
The most obvious thing (assuming the battery is actually good) is to suspect the starter.
Check the connections at the battery, starter and ground straps.
Check for wire condition, voltage at the starter & starter condition (you may need to remove for a bench test depending on your tools & ability).
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sheepdog924  



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you know when your fuel filter was last changed? If you did run out of petrol you could have dragged some crud from the bottom of the tank through
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ideola  



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:35 am    Post subject: Re: Car won't start Reply with quote

gideongreen wrote:
It won't even turn over, it will click once, then nothing.

Most likely culprits in order of likelihood and ease of troubleshooting / replacing:
- Weak or dead battery
- Failed ignition switch
- Failed starter or starter solenoid

The first post in this thread provides detailed instruction on removing the ignition switch. The second post provides a picture showing how they fail.

I would strongly recommend that you replace the ignition switch even if it's not the root cause. Every 924/944 variant I've ever had has needed one, and it will fail sooner or later.

I also strongly recommend removing the old starter/alternator wiring harness. Lay it out on a bench and rebuild a new one with higher gauge AWG wire, and then put it in firebraid sleeve to protect it from the exhaust manifold heat. Then reinstall.

These are two easy preventive maintenance items that will improve the reliability and safety of your car. There is simply no reason not to do these while your diagnosing the issue you're having.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:47 am    Post subject: Re: Car won't start Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
There is simply no reason not to do these


Because hard!


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ideola  



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:00 am    Post subject: Re: Car won't start Reply with quote

Rasta Monsta wrote:
ideola wrote:
There is simply no reason not to do these


Because hard!



Because lazy!
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Raize  



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fuel run-out was just a coincidence. The fuel pump is fused, so even if the fuel pump seized due to overheating, it would just blow its fuse rather than destroying other parts of the electrical system.
The symptom of a blown fuel pump would not be a failure to crank, that's illogical.

If the click is coming from the engine bay, it's the starter motor solenoid clicking on. This would suggest the ignition switch is OK otherwise the solenoid couldn't be activated. Whether or not the battery is giving enough power to turn the starter motor is another matter.

I've never been able to jump start my 924 as due to the location of the starter it's very difficult to actually get current to flow through it - so I wouldn't take that as evidence of your battery being OK!

I would look VERY closely at the battery. If you have a multimeter check the voltage across the terminals (should be 12+). If you don't, try popping up the cars headlights with main beam turned on. They WILL struggle if the battery is low. You could even consider swapping in a known good battery to test.

If the battery checks out good, start looking at starter motor wiring or the motor itself.
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ideola  



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raize wrote:
If the click is coming from the engine bay, it's the starter motor solenoid clicking on. This would suggest the ignition switch is OK otherwise the solenoid couldn't be activated. Whether or not the battery is giving enough power to turn the starter motor is another matter.

Not true. A failing ignition switch can cause momentary or intermittent current to the ignition circuit. In my experience, it is prudent to eliminate it as a variable in any no-crank scenario due to its propensity for failure. Plus, as mentioned, it is just good preventive maintenance. And cheap. Why suggest not doing something that could be a root or contributing factor???
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Raize  



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
Raize wrote:
If the click is coming from the engine bay, it's the starter motor solenoid clicking on. This would suggest the ignition switch is OK otherwise the solenoid couldn't be activated. Whether or not the battery is giving enough power to turn the starter motor is another matter.

Not true. A failing ignition switch can cause momentary or intermittent current to the ignition circuit. In my experience, it is prudent to eliminate it as a variable in any no-crank scenario due to its propensity for failure. Plus, as mentioned, it is just good preventive maintenance. And cheap. Why suggest not doing something that could be a root or contributing factor???


Personally I haven't had ignition switch failure (although I have had a failed starter) but given your experience with 924's you doubtless have a point.

However I don't believe in preventative maintenance on the 924 as it's simply more cost-effective to fix things as and when they break due to the rock-bottom price of these cars.

I still think it's the battery.
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jason c  



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To test the ignition switch...
You can check voltage out of the switch. -tests the switch but not the wiring-

You can check for voltage at the small terminal on the starter (from ignition switch) with the ignition switch in the crank position. -this tests the switch and wiring at the same time-

Jump power from the large lug on the starter (from the battery) if you have power there or use a jumper wire directly from the battery to the small connector. -this eliminates the switch & wiring and tests the starter-
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will second the ignition switch as a likely candidate. It could also be the starter, wiring, or battery as others have mentioned but both my cars had a similar problem that was traced to the switch. I could still here the solenoid click once, but it wouldn't turn over.

I would start here:
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Jump power from the large lug on the starter (from the battery) if you have power there or use a jumper wire directly from the battery to the small connector. -this eliminates the switch & wiring and tests the starter-

If it will turn over while jumper-ed I would replace both the wiring and switch (cheap and relatively easy), if it won't then hit the starter with a hammer for good measure and replace it.

Also on mine if I turned the key from Off to Crank quickly several times it would work for a bit.
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