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James C

Joined: 12 Feb 2013 Posts: 21 Location: Akl NZ
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:14 pm Post subject: NA 924 misbehaving. |
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Obviously because I want to sell it, something has to break.
My '81 924 has just had a new radiator and thermostat put in, new coolant rah rah rah.
Now, before the radiator was put in, it held temperature quite well. The bottom of the radiator was mostly rust so I had the whole thing replaced along with the thermostat for good measure. Now, the thing overheats and pisses coolant out the overflow if it's idling for too long. It's fine when it's moving again. Needless to say this is a real shit feature in traffic.
I'm thinking water pump is going or gone - What does the rest of the board think?
NB, I'm probably not going to fix it, rather sell it as is - I just want to know what the issue is. _________________ Sorry what? I couldn't hear you over my pop-up headlights. |
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Brians924

Joined: 17 Jan 2013 Posts: 35 Location: Massachusetts USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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You havent said that the fan is working... 2 things need to happen when the temp is getting there. Both require the fan to engage.
B. _________________ 1977 Porsche 924 n/a
2.0 4sp. w/59k |
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James C

Joined: 12 Feb 2013 Posts: 21 Location: Akl NZ
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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The fan does go. Sometimes it stays on after everything else is shut off. _________________ Sorry what? I couldn't hear you over my pop-up headlights. |
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Duncan
Joined: 04 Nov 2002 Posts: 425 Location: Delft, The Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Are you sure the cooling system is bled properly as per the red stopper on the hose from the thermostat housing? _________________ 1983 NA Alpineweiss since 2001
Peugeot 205 Generation |
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staticsan
Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 450 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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If the water pump stops, you'll get about half-a-mile before it will burst a hose. Been there, done that.
HTH!
Wade. _________________ '82 British NA - Which I think I've been very lucky with! |
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fiat22turbo

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 4040 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Bleed the coolant and see if that improves things.
If not, I suspect you've got a blown headgasket. _________________ Stefan
1979 924 Carrera GTS (clone-ish)
1988 944 Turbo S (Silver Rose) |
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James C

Joined: 12 Feb 2013 Posts: 21 Location: Akl NZ
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| Duncan wrote: | | Are you sure the cooling system is bled properly as per the red stopper on the hose from the thermostat housing? |
If it's the only way to do it, then that's probably how it was done.
| staticsan wrote: | If the water pump stops, you'll get about half-a-mile before it will burst a hose. Been there, done that.
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It did pop a hose a while ago. Nothing else came of it; it got warm but I'm pretty sure I stopped in time.
| fiat22turbo wrote: |
Bleed the coolant and see if that improves things.
If not, I suspect you've got a blown headgasket. |
If it has, it's being really discrete about it. Shouldn't the oil and water have mixed by now? I can't afford to have more stuff done on this thing. _________________ Sorry what? I couldn't hear you over my pop-up headlights. |
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fiat22turbo

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 4040 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:05 am Post subject: |
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A blown headgasket doesn't always result in oil and water mixture. There are times when it only results in combustion pressure leaking into the cooling system, over pressurizing the system and causing the fluid to be pushed out of the system. Sometimes you can see this on the spark plugs by seeing which ones are sparkling white (due to steam cleaning of the combustion chamber)
If you see bubbles in the coolant once it starts to warm up (start the car cold, take off the radiator cap and keep an eye on it as it warms up and watch for bubbles) then you might have a leaking or blown headgasket.
To bleed the system, park the nose in the air, start the car cold, remove the red bleed cap. Once the car warms up water will start coming out the bleed port. Once water starts coming out, put the cap back in and tighten the clamp. You may have to do this a couple of times, especially after cycling the heater on/off to flush any air out of there as well.
Good luck! _________________ Stefan
1979 924 Carrera GTS (clone-ish)
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James C

Joined: 12 Feb 2013 Posts: 21 Location: Akl NZ
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Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| fiat22turbo wrote: | A blown headgasket doesn't always result in oil and water mixture. There are times when it only results in combustion pressure leaking into the cooling system, over pressurizing the system and causing the fluid to be pushed out of the system. Sometimes you can see this on the spark plugs by seeing which ones are sparkling white (due to steam cleaning of the combustion chamber)
If you see bubbles in the coolant once it starts to warm up (start the car cold, take off the radiator cap and keep an eye on it as it warms up and watch for bubbles) then you might have a leaking or blown headgasket.
To bleed the system, park the nose in the air, start the car cold, remove the red bleed cap. Once the car warms up water will start coming out the bleed port. Once water starts coming out, put the cap back in and tighten the clamp. You may have to do this a couple of times, especially after cycling the heater on/off to flush any air out of there as well.
Good luck! |
That's quite insightful. Guess I know what I'm doing this weekend. Helps that my driveway isn't flat too. _________________ Sorry what? I couldn't hear you over my pop-up headlights. |
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Ozzie

Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 4448 Location: Townsville, Qld. Australia
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:39 am Post subject: |
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I had a blown head gasket between 3 & 4, no pressurizing of water, no mix of oil or water, just air pumping back and forth. _________________ Porsche 924 1984 (UK import) NA
Its AUTO and its BLACK
Montego Black on black/red
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pmcaya2

Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 191 Location: Scio, NY USA
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Since the car was OK before you replaced the radiator & thermostat, I suspect that the new thermostat may be defective or fouled by rust - maybe even installed upside down. I'd spend $5 and put in another thermostat before going after the big stuff. The bolts on the thermostat housing are usually the hard part of installing a thermostat. Good Luck - Peter |
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James C

Joined: 12 Feb 2013 Posts: 21 Location: Akl NZ
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| pmcaya2 wrote: | | Since the car was OK before you replaced the radiator & thermostat, I suspect that the new thermostat may be defective or fouled by rust - maybe even installed upside down. I'd spend $5 and put in another thermostat before going after the big stuff. The bolts on the thermostat housing are usually the hard part of installing a thermostat. Good Luck - Peter |
You might be onto something there, but a thermostat is $50 for me. Unfortunately even that is more than I can afford - Getting to school is the priority at the moment.
The thing is, I got about a week out of it before it started being a dick, so I'm thinking water pump. It could've grenaded from age. _________________ Sorry what? I couldn't hear you over my pop-up headlights. |
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Paul

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 9491 Location: Southeast Wisconsin
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:51 am Post subject: |
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What temp thermostat and radiator fan switch do you have? Are the fans running the correct direction? _________________ White 87 924S "Ghost"
Silver 98 986 3.6l 320 HP "Frank N Stein"
White 01 986 "Christine"
Polar Silver 02 996TT. "Turbo"
Owned and repaired 924s since 1977
Porsche: It's not driving, it's therapy. |
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James C

Joined: 12 Feb 2013 Posts: 21 Location: Akl NZ
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Paul wrote: | | What temp thermostat and radiator fan switch do you have? Are the fans running the correct direction? |
No idea, no idea, yes. Single fan. _________________ Sorry what? I couldn't hear you over my pop-up headlights. |
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Duncan
Joined: 04 Nov 2002 Posts: 425 Location: Delft, The Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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No observable change in behavior after bleeding the cooling system? _________________ 1983 NA Alpineweiss since 2001
Peugeot 205 Generation |
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