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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:09 pm    Post subject: Alternator Output and Dim Light Reply with quote

I have a two year old Bosch Factory Rebuilt Alternator. Recently I noticed the charge light on very, very, very dim, under load (head lights on, etc.) During day it is not noticeable at all, and at night, is is barely perceptible, and only with at least the headlight lights on load-wise. I replaced my battery yesterday, out of caution, as it was four years old, and I had put some strains on it over the years, and it sometimes sits for long periods. While at the auto store I had them do a charging system check.

Under no load the the output was 13.64 volts, and under load it was 13.0 volts, and the electronic tester passed the system. I believe something like 13.6 is OK for our cars, but have also seen some stuff about 14.2 etc.

Does anyone have any off the top of their head recollection of where our systems should be, or the range? Mine is a 81 931 with Bosch alternator. I believe I had upgraded to the 115X 90 amp rather than replace the 109x 75 amp standard.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds normal to me
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1

However, do make sure you're grounds are in good shape. I believe there is a ground from the back of the alternator to the engine block.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CalGuy wrote:
I believe there is a ground from the back of the alternator to the engine block.

The alt on my 937 has two ground straps, one to the intake/head (normal) and one to the block. Not sure if it's stock, but it couldn't hurt...

I have found a 150A bolt-in replacement for the stock unit. I'm running one on the new 941 motor, and have just bought another to install on the Club Sport. Both cars have the higher output H4 head lamps, plus factory fogs. The 941 has a pretty significant audio system along with the PLX Devices boost & AFR gauges, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to have a more capable alternator.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
I have found a 150A bolt-in replacement for the stock unit.


And???


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Appreciate the confirmation it is within range.

I might order a second ground strap just as a precaution. Does anyone know of a source of one about the same scale as the factory alternator strap...would rather not have to adapt one of the full scale versions like the one going from the engine to the chassis.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rasta Monsta wrote:
ideola wrote:
I have found a 150A bolt-in replacement for the stock unit.


And???



Just sayin'. No more wimpy 90A alternators for me!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Took both the 941 and the 937 out to a PCA event last night (the Blonde drove one of 'em). Both my cars are fully charging under full load as confirmed with multi-meter (one with stock Bosch unit, the other with upgraded 150A unit). Both cars exhibit the very faint glowing you describe...pretty similar between the two...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread would be more useful with pictures and a brand/model number....
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul wrote:
This thread would be more useful with pictures and a brand/model number....

Coming soon to Ideola's Garage. Want some real-world usage for validation before making them available...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the confirmation that a faint glowing can be seen on both of the two you described. Makes me feel much better! Curious as to your voltages.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevekat wrote:
Thanks for the confirmation that a faint glowing can be seen on both of the two you described. Makes me feel much better! Curious as to your voltages.

I'm getting a solid 13V at the battery when the cars are running with some load. Haven't checked in a while with FULL load (e.g. all lights + heater + wipers + radio). I think the glowing is just a normal result of some resistance in the old wiring. Either that or it always does that. The 937 is the lowest mileage car I've ever driven, and just about as close as one can get to showroom new. Everything works on it...so I suspect it may have just worked this way from the factory.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't recall the 77 924 that I bought new ever having this problem for the couple of years I owned it.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
Paul wrote:
This thread would be more useful with pictures and a brand/model number....

Coming soon to Ideola's Garage. Want some real-world usage for validation before making them available...


If it's a direct bolt on replacement why would we buy them from you?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds just like mine. My guess is this is normal and not even a result of additional resistance in old wiring. From what I read it occurs when there is a voltage difference between the battery and alternator, either direction. So there may be some very slight delta that causes this normally. BTW, just as a reminder, our Bosch alternators have the exciter circuit, where they won't work unless the warning bulb is installed (and the warning bulb needs to be the correct wattage.)
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