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stevekat

Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 719 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:09 pm Post subject: Alternator Output and Dim Light |
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I have a two year old Bosch Factory Rebuilt Alternator. Recently I noticed the charge light on very, very, very dim, under load (head lights on, etc.) During day it is not noticeable at all, and at night, is is barely perceptible, and only with at least the headlight lights on load-wise. I replaced my battery yesterday, out of caution, as it was four years old, and I had put some strains on it over the years, and it sometimes sits for long periods. While at the auto store I had them do a charging system check.
Under no load the the output was 13.64 volts, and under load it was 13.0 volts, and the electronic tester passed the system. I believe something like 13.6 is OK for our cars, but have also seen some stuff about 14.2 etc.
Does anyone have any off the top of their head recollection of where our systems should be, or the range? Mine is a 81 931 with Bosch alternator. I believe I had upgraded to the 115X 90 amp rather than replace the 109x 75 amp standard. _________________ "Never get out of the boat. Absolutely goddamn right. Unless you are goin' all the way."
Gone to new home: '81 924T, US version, CGT Intercooler, UTCIS-PT, Euro DITC, Greddy Trust MBC, Forged Fuchs Flat Dish 6's, Factory Recaro's. |
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Ozzie

Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 4448 Location: Townsville, Qld. Australia
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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sounds normal to me _________________ Porsche 924 1984 (UK import) NA
Its AUTO and its BLACK
Montego Black on black/red
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CalGuy

Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Posts: 62 Location: Woodside, CA
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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+1
However, do make sure you're grounds are in good shape. I believe there is a ground from the back of the alternator to the engine block. _________________ -CalGuy
1980 924
1992 968 (Newest edition dubbed 1BAD968)
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| CalGuy wrote: | | I believe there is a ground from the back of the alternator to the engine block. |
The alt on my 937 has two ground straps, one to the intake/head (normal) and one to the block. Not sure if it's stock, but it couldn't hurt...
I have found a 150A bolt-in replacement for the stock unit. I'm running one on the new 941 motor, and have just bought another to install on the Club Sport. Both cars have the higher output H4 head lamps, plus factory fogs. The 941 has a pretty significant audio system along with the PLX Devices boost & AFR gauges, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to have a more capable alternator. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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Rasta Monsta

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| ideola wrote: | | I have found a 150A bolt-in replacement for the stock unit. |
And???
 _________________ Toofah King Bad
- WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3
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stevekat

Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 719 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. Appreciate the confirmation it is within range.
I might order a second ground strap just as a precaution. Does anyone know of a source of one about the same scale as the factory alternator strap...would rather not have to adapt one of the full scale versions like the one going from the engine to the chassis. _________________ "Never get out of the boat. Absolutely goddamn right. Unless you are goin' all the way."
Gone to new home: '81 924T, US version, CGT Intercooler, UTCIS-PT, Euro DITC, Greddy Trust MBC, Forged Fuchs Flat Dish 6's, Factory Recaro's. |
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| Rasta Monsta wrote: | | ideola wrote: | | I have found a 150A bolt-in replacement for the stock unit. |
And???
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Just sayin'. No more wimpy 90A alternators for me!
 _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Took both the 941 and the 937 out to a PCA event last night (the Blonde drove one of 'em). Both my cars are fully charging under full load as confirmed with multi-meter (one with stock Bosch unit, the other with upgraded 150A unit). Both cars exhibit the very faint glowing you describe...pretty similar between the two... _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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Paul

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 9491 Location: Southeast Wisconsin
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:32 am Post subject: |
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This thread would be more useful with pictures and a brand/model number.... _________________ White 87 924S "Ghost"
Silver 98 986 3.6l 320 HP "Frank N Stein"
White 01 986 "Christine"
Polar Silver 02 996TT. "Turbo"
Owned and repaired 924s since 1977
Porsche: It's not driving, it's therapy. |
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| Paul wrote: | | This thread would be more useful with pictures and a brand/model number.... |
Coming soon to Ideola's Garage. Want some real-world usage for validation before making them available... _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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stevekat

Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 719 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the confirmation that a faint glowing can be seen on both of the two you described. Makes me feel much better! Curious as to your voltages. _________________ "Never get out of the boat. Absolutely goddamn right. Unless you are goin' all the way."
Gone to new home: '81 924T, US version, CGT Intercooler, UTCIS-PT, Euro DITC, Greddy Trust MBC, Forged Fuchs Flat Dish 6's, Factory Recaro's. |
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| stevekat wrote: | Thanks for the confirmation that a faint glowing can be seen on both of the two you described. Makes me feel much better! Curious as to your voltages. |
I'm getting a solid 13V at the battery when the cars are running with some load. Haven't checked in a while with FULL load (e.g. all lights + heater + wipers + radio). I think the glowing is just a normal result of some resistance in the old wiring. Either that or it always does that. The 937 is the lowest mileage car I've ever driven, and just about as close as one can get to showroom new. Everything works on it...so I suspect it may have just worked this way from the factory. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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Paul

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 9491 Location: Southeast Wisconsin
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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I don't recall the 77 924 that I bought new ever having this problem for the couple of years I owned it. _________________ White 87 924S "Ghost"
Silver 98 986 3.6l 320 HP "Frank N Stein"
White 01 986 "Christine"
Polar Silver 02 996TT. "Turbo"
Owned and repaired 924s since 1977
Porsche: It's not driving, it's therapy. |
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Paul

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 9491 Location: Southeast Wisconsin
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| ideola wrote: | | Paul wrote: | | This thread would be more useful with pictures and a brand/model number.... |
Coming soon to Ideola's Garage. Want some real-world usage for validation before making them available... |
If it's a direct bolt on replacement why would we buy them from you? _________________ White 87 924S "Ghost"
Silver 98 986 3.6l 320 HP "Frank N Stein"
White 01 986 "Christine"
Polar Silver 02 996TT. "Turbo"
Owned and repaired 924s since 1977
Porsche: It's not driving, it's therapy. |
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stevekat

Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 719 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:54 am Post subject: |
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Sounds just like mine. My guess is this is normal and not even a result of additional resistance in old wiring. From what I read it occurs when there is a voltage difference between the battery and alternator, either direction. So there may be some very slight delta that causes this normally. BTW, just as a reminder, our Bosch alternators have the exciter circuit, where they won't work unless the warning bulb is installed (and the warning bulb needs to be the correct wattage.) _________________ "Never get out of the boat. Absolutely goddamn right. Unless you are goin' all the way."
Gone to new home: '81 924T, US version, CGT Intercooler, UTCIS-PT, Euro DITC, Greddy Trust MBC, Forged Fuchs Flat Dish 6's, Factory Recaro's. |
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