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Min
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| ic932 wrote: | | What! What kind of crap is this? I'm free to question ANY individual or companies "buisness sense". Since when did this constitute personal abuse! |
Ok first I'm going to detail the realities of this situation for you. First, your not free to do anything you wish on this forum. Web forums are controlled by the moderators and owners. This means that they can censor anything you say at any time. Period. You have no freedom of speech here. Should the moderators decide to moderate you, sorry, to bad.
Second, its well known that using caps is considered screaming. If you continue to scream at the other people on this web forum, there is a extremely good probability that you will be moderated.
Third, your opinion is wrong, lizard's short shifter design does reduce shifter throw. Your posts can be regarded as attempts to tarnish ideola's reputation (especially considering your post history).
Your behavior has been rude, and unnecessary. I suggest you take some deep breaths and give your head a shake. When your done that, maybe you can come back and act like a mature adult (yes, I'm implying that thus far your behavior is similar to a small child having a temper tantrum)
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ic932
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| Like I said, get a grip! Thats utter crap min. |
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924RACR
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| ic932 wrote: | | Like I said, get a grip! Thats utter crap min. |
LOL... you're free to feel that way...
...until such point as you find yourself proven wrong. 
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Mike9311
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:54 am Post subject: |
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I did a quick trig calc and just the bottom section difference results in a 31% reduction in throw. Chosen shift knob height will change things of course. This is a nice and noticeable reduction.
Someone please check me though. I will admit to be rusty and distracted here at work.
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Rasta Monsta
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:35 am Post subject: |
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The interesting thing about the pics is that it looks like the change in geometry could be replicated by moving the upper pivot hole on the stock shift lever.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:43 am Post subject: |
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I like the work and detail that has been put into this and all of the components that Ideola has provided. I appreciate what he offers since parts for these cars are limited. Great guy and great components.
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ic932
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| 924RACR wrote: | | ic932 wrote: | | Like I said, get a grip! Thats utter crap min. |
LOL... you're free to feel that way...
...until such point as you find yourself proven wrong. |
"if ya gonna shoot just shoot don't talk about it" - The Ugly.
Ok, so 30-40%? Thats damm good. Important to know when buying a short shifter kit IMO  |
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dreamgts
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:14 am Post subject: |
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Just like they say 'the stupid get stupidier'.. good work Dan, keep it up
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ic932
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| ic932 wrote: | For me a short shifter means a shorter throw, not a shorter stick lol. I think this product is great if you are after an aftermarket knob but apart from that... and its just my abrasive opinion, its unproven as a reduction throw short shifter. Therefore should be sold as a momo knob conversion kit and nothing more.
I'll be the first in the queue to buy one but its got to deliver the very reason to buy one....reduction throw short shifter. Not a shorter lever that only a aftermarket knob will fit unless you spend time with the ole grinder 
Not good Dan...
ps, the thought that went into the hole dimentions? Did this have no bearing on the throw? |
Nothing stupid about the above in the context of NOT knowing the performance ie the THROW REDUCTION figure (approx as I requested).
Its all good to jump on bandwagons or lynchings but the fact remains, WITHOUT knowing the throw reduction Dans product was useless as a purchasing option IMO. In this context, I stand by my above statement.
Just read it properly for goodness sake - its tongue in cheek! |
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dreamgts
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:38 am Post subject: |
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Some people just cant admit they know nothing about anything... As I said good work Dan. Keep it up.
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Lizard
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:40 am Post subject: |
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This is absolutely the MOST reduction in throw that is possible without modifying the shifter linkage.
I made a short shifter for the 928, which is similar to the snailshell boxes, that eliminates the ball cup bushing and rod entirely. It has a 60-70% reduction in throw.
It would be possible to adapt that to the snailshell boxes.
However you would need to buy a 928 rear universal joint (it has adjustment there), and the shift rod which connects to the transmission. This may or may not need to be shortened or lengthened.
However this above shifter eliminates ALL play in the system, and it feels more like a gated shifter. But it has very little for/aft movement and most people dont think that they are in gear when they are.
I made one of these on my track 928, and I also used a stock audi shifter and made a 2/1 ratio lever system which attaches to the torque tube. My throw on that car from gear to gear (with a taller shifter so its closer to the wheel), is roughly 3/4". Remember that is from gear to gear. So going from 2nd to 3rd the motion is 3/4". I am the only person who can find neutral in that car. Because the moment you touch the shifter it instantly pops into the next gear.
However this shifter that Dan is making is an excellent product, and it is the best option for your average daily driver. The stock unit is more like rowing a boat.
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ic932
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| Go back to sleep dreamboy Zzzz |
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Lizard
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dreamgts
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| ic932 wrote: | | Go back to sleep dreamboy Zzzz |
I am, otherwise I would have said more.. Mr knowsnothingatall. Yawnsssssssss
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bnoon
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| Rasta Monsta wrote: | | The interesting thing about the pics is that it looks like the change in geometry could be replicated by moving the upper pivot hole on the stock shift lever. |
Hummmmmm, now you've got me thinking... Hack it up, if I fail, buy Dan's!!! 
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