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What makes a club sport a club sport?
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Khal  



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might have already seen it but the March issue of 911 & Porsche World has a five-page article called Club racers (pg. 54) that includes the 968 Club Sport versus two versions of the 911. Might give some tips about CS spec's...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope, hadn't seen that one, thanks for the tip, will have to chase it down now!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:36 am    Post subject: Re: What makes a club sport a club sport? Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
Anything else I should add to the list?

  • The Club Sport cars had NO underbody protection.
  • Aluminium roll over bar.

Cheers, Harm.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know, did any of the factory street cars (924, 944, 968, 911 etc.) EVER come with non-glass windows (lexan, makralon, plexi, etc.)? I know some of the factory race cars did like the GTS/GTR, but I'm wondering about street cars specifically...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan, you might want to call Ron Johnson from our Nord Stern PCA club in Mpls. He has that 968 CS for sale, price was at 50K now down to 42K or something. Here is the ad for it, it's list of goodies, and his contact info:

1993 PORSCHE 968CS CLUB SPORT, THIS IS THE REAL DEAL STRAIGHT OUT OF GERMANY, 50,000 KILOMETERS, 6 SPEED, ALL GAUGES AND LETTERING IN GERMAN, THE CLUB SPORT WAS A LIGHTWEIGHT FACTORY BUILT RACE CAR, ALL M030 OPTIONS, FACTORY COLOR MATCHED RECARO SEATS, FACTORY MOMO STEERING WHEEL, NO A/C, NO SUNROOF, NO POWER ANYTHING, FACTORY CAGE, CAR IS 2782 POUNDS WITHOUT DRIVER. I ADDED SERIES 28 KONI SHOCKS, 750/700 SPRING RATES, CHARLIE ARMS, CAMBER PLATES AND MONO BALLS, CORNER BALANCED AND TRACK ALIGNMENT, HEADER AND STAINLESS STEEL EXHAUST, ELECTRONIC KILL SWITCH SET UP, 968 TURBO RS SPLITTER AND ADJUSTABLE REAR SPOILER, IS CURRENTLY SET UP FOR PCA CLASS F, NO PCA LOG BOOK DUE TO I HAVE ONLY DONE DE WITH THIS CAR, BIR BRAINERD INTERNATIONAL RACEWAY BEST TIME 1:52 FLAT. ALL MAINTENANCE UP TO DATE AND RUNS FLAWLESSLY!!! RECENT CLUTCH AND LIGHTWEIGHT FLYWHEEL, TIMING BELT AND WATERPUMP WITH ALL SEALS AND ROLLERS, RADIATOR,BUILT AND MAINTAINED BY AUTOEDGE PORSCHE SPECIALISTS, FOR SALE OR TRADE CONTACT RON 612-730-2351 Porschefreak@earthlink.net



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I can find a pic of it again, if you are interested. Dave.
PS, was great to meet you in Milwaukee this past weekend. Had a great time with Paul and his family. Actually 'drove' Spike pretty hard. Since then added the Weltmeister 28mm front sway bar, big improvement.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
skemcin wrote:
On the inside, I know the 968 CS had thinner carpeting and the heater controls were deleted

Now that's a tidbit I didn't know! Hmmm...it's a warm season only car anyway...hmmm...
You didn't know because it was never done,the a/c was deleted and NOT the heater controls. How about fiberglass front fenders and hood kinda like the 951 cup.Also take a look here http://transaxle.homeip.net/944/944S/ClubSport/Index.htm .I may go the same route on my 944 but i'm not sure yet(it's half way there anyway)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and also look at this http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/cto/1695961228.html
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some new goodies to help with the club sport theme:





Also had these made, all ready for the ceramic coater: one for the UWB, one for the CS, and one to put on the shelf for the eventual 941 rebuild:

The welder made a jig, so if anybody else wants one...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me likey the J-Pipes! They are Boss! Can see how that can solve a lot of stress/vibration issues.

What would cost be if we supplied our own J-pipes?

Is clearance OK with surrounding pipes?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catamax944 wrote:
ideola wrote:
skemcin wrote:
On the inside, I know the 968 CS had thinner carpeting and the heater controls were deleted

Now that's a tidbit I didn't know! Hmmm...it's a warm season only car anyway...hmmm...
You didn't know because it was never done,the a/c was deleted and NOT the heater controls. How about fiberglass front fenders and hood kinda like the 951 cup.Also take a look here http://transaxle.homeip.net/944/944S/ClubSport/Index.htm .I may go the same route on my 944 but i'm not sure yet(it's half way there anyway)
According to this source (cited earlier) there heater controls were removed:
http://www.qv500.com/porsche968p2.php
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Undoubtedly the most far-reaching alterations were made inside ... This included the electric windows, electric mirrors, the heater controls, the alarm and even the radio. The original four-spoke steering wheel was replaced by a smaller diameter three-spoke item without an airbag...

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevekat wrote:
Me likey the J-Pipes! They are Boss! Can see how that can solve a lot of stress/vibration issues.

What would cost be if we supplied our own J-pipes?

Is clearance OK with surrounding pipes?


Don't know yet on clearance, I only eyeballed it, and didn't see any immediate concerns. Somebody else here did this mod, I think it was Kenodog IIRC. I also saw a reference to it somewhere in the tech section, but I can't remember where now.

In addition to vibration issues, I think the biggest benefit to these is the thermal expansion issue. According to Scott Hoag at MRT (where I had the welding done), he wasn't surprised that these pipes had issues cracking at the swaged joints due to the different thermal expansion of stainless vs. the iron manifold and the rigid mounting to the torque tube (via the wastegate bracket). He wanted to develop a slip joint for me, which is his preferred method on these types of exhaust components, but I had already purchased the couplers, and didn't want to pay for his R&D FWIW, Scott is an engineer by trade & training (ran the Mustang program at Ford up thru 2004).

Cost would probably be somewhere in the ~$100 ball park for labor, materials and parts, but I have to verify what I paid for the joints, it's been a while now.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M471 or M030 suspension - Considering options ATM

Forged lightweight wheels (e.g. trash cans or club sports) - Have a set of Simmons racing wheels on mine

Upgraded brakes (???) Slotted rotors allround with 4pot Volvo up front

LSD -

Manual driver side mirror, passenger side mirror delete - Passenger side gone

Sunroof delete - no sunroof in mine.

A/C delete - done

Script door cards - ?

Manual window regulators

Rear wiper delete

Sound deadener delete - will see how addicted i get at the track

Sport steering wheel (my Euro 931 has the same wheel as the 951 sport wheel...363mm 4-spoker) - Have a Momo

Cloth seats OR sport seats - will see about sports seats in the future

Rear seat delete (a la 968CS) - been considering this as well if they were usable i wouldn't get rid of it
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
Some new goodies to help with the club sport theme:




Looks good.
I have 2 questions for you.

- Who produces the bucket seats? (Momo, Sparco, ect)
- How much the seats and the roll bar weight?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those particular seats are Sparco's, haven't checked the exact model or weight. I acquired them for an unbelievable price second-hand...they were essentially new-in-box, never installed, never sat in, perfect condition, and included BOTH sets of double locking sliders.

Haven't weighed the bar either, need to do so, will try to get to it later this week.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schroth harnesses arrived last week. Picking up Cobra Suzuka seats tomorrow. Hope to get it all fitted this weekend. Trying to finalise a UK group deal on a full cage currently. Picking up a Turbo fibreglass hood in the next few weeks.

Getting mine all CS Style!!
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