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daniel
Joined: 18 Jun 2009 Posts: 670 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:32 am Post subject: 1977 year model options |
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Hi to all
I am considering prepairing a 924 2L for competition in the Australian class Historic Production sports cars. The class covers vehicles from 1970 to 31Dec 1977, so I would have to present my 924 as it came out of the showroom in 1977 (with various mods ofcourse, but not options introduced in later years). So my questions are...
I understand that the 1977 year model had the disc brakes all round and the 5 speed box, is this correct?
How long did basic car sold in 1977 continue for, i.e. Did the 1979 model have different bumpers etc.
I need a publication that lists the year model changes so I can write a submission to CAMS (kind of like the US SCCA), can anyone recomend?
Thanks
Daniel |
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Khal
Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 4869 Location: Sunny and lovely interior BC, Canada
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:53 am Post subject: Re: 1977 year model options |
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I can help you with one thing straight off the bat;
daniel wrote: | I understand that the 1977 year model had the disc brakes all round and the 5 speed box, is this correct? |
Nope! ALL 924's were discs on the front and drums on the rear. Only the Turbo's and S's (the S's weren't available in Australia) had discs all 'round (and maybe some of the very late, like, '83+ model year, European-delivered cars but I dunno about that?).
Also, the '77 only had the four-speed 'box, as far as I know. Five-speed wasn't an option until the so-called "77.5" update (which would have been available in '78?), if I remember correctly?
Good luck finding a definitive list of all options that were available for all model years (you have Dr. Wiedeking's number?). But this site/page has some good info on what engines and gearboxes were available for each year. _________________ '80 924 Turbo |
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ZODIAC
Joined: 08 Apr 2009 Posts: 342 Location: West Haven, Ct
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:42 am Post subject: |
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mine is a 1977 from what i can tell. the vin is listed as the same for 77 and 77/2. i have a 5 speed with this shift pattern. hope this helps. _________________ "Kraut cars, they know how to build 'em".
1977 924 N/A - Red with waterdamage interior
yes...waterdamage is now a color... |
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Khal
Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 4869 Location: Sunny and lovely interior BC, Canada
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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ZODIAC wrote: | the vin is listed as the same for 77 and 77/2. i have a 5 speed with this shift pattern. |
Happy to be wrong but as far as I know, that shift pattern is the "snailshell" G31 gearbox, which was only introduced on the Turbo cars from '79 onwards. Methinks your car might have been retrofitted? _________________ '80 924 Turbo |
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ZODIAC
Joined: 08 Apr 2009 Posts: 342 Location: West Haven, Ct
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | that shift pattern is the "snailshell" G31 gearbox, which was only introduced on the Turbo cars from '79 onwards. Methinks your car might have been retrofitted? |
that would make sense since the doner car i am looking into has a 4spd manual. hmm. _________________ "Kraut cars, they know how to build 'em".
1977 924 N/A - Red with waterdamage interior
yes...waterdamage is now a color... |
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gohim
Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 4459 Location: Rialto, CA
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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There were two types of bumpers. US bumpers with bumper shocks, and ROW rest of world bumpers which were closer to the body without shocks. The external finish of the bumpers changed over the years (early bumpers on US cars had rough finish on the top, bottom and face, while late bumpers had smooth tops) but mechanically the bumpers did not change.
I believe that the five speed snail shell transmission came optional in either late 78 (for sure in 79). Standard tranny until 1980 MY was the Audi 4-speed.
Four wheel disc brakes were never standard on NA cars. Became an option in 79 when the 931 was introduced for ROW (standard for Euro 931 in 79, optional for US 931 when introduced in 80 MY). Optional for US NA cars in 80. |
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ideola
Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15548 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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The 016Y (a.k.a. G16) is also a snailshell and also a 5-speed, and AFAIK was introduced in 1979. It is highly likely that any NA fitted with a dogleg shifting five speed has the G16 rather than the G31. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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wombat
Joined: 07 Jun 2008 Posts: 422 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:10 am Post subject: |
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The four-speed manual was the only transmission available for the 1976 model. The Audi three speed automatic was offered starting with the 1977.5 model. A 5-speed Porsche "dogleg" transmission was available starting in 1979 this was quickly replaced for 1980 with a normal H-pattern Audi five speed. I think that covers Trans but if anyone knows any different please feel free to chime in.
Brakes were the 4 bolt front disks and rear drums as standard on the non turbo from 1976, five stud hubs and alloys from the 924 Turbo were available on the base 924 as an "S" package starting with the 1980 model year.
Sway bars were available as an option from 1976, but not standard untill 1980. The initial optional sway bars were 20mm up front and 18mm rear, in 1978 they went to 22mm up front and 14mm rear (std w/ 23.5 mm t-bars), 1979 went to 23mm up front and the same as the previous year on the rear, around 1980-81 21mm up front, still using the same as the 1978 model on the rear, became standard, with a 23mm up front option package. With the Australian delivered cars if you ordered the sway bar option in 1976 or 77 you also got a passengers side door mirror and aircon as a package for around $450 which, even though you could just get the sway bars was the way 99% of sway bar options were sold.
Other option should be listed below but I have not check the below info for 100% correctness so please dont take as gospel. Prices I believe are in US dollars.
924
Statistics
2+2 hatchback coupe, liquid-cooled front engine, rear transaxle, 2623 lbs.
Where built: Neckarsulm, West Germany (Audi assembly plant)
First introduced: May 1976, as a 1977 model.
1977 [MSRP $9,395]
2.0-liter, OHC 4-cylinder, 8.0:1 compression ratio
CIS fuel injection, electronic ignition
Catalytic converter on California models only
4-speed manual transaxle
5-1/2x14 steel wheels
Front MacPherson struts, torsion bar/trailing arm in rear
Front disc, rear drum brakes
Optional equipment: 3-speed automatic, front and rear sway bars, air-conditioning, removable roof
VIN range 9247230001 - 9247235789
1977-1/2 Model Year
8.5:1 compression ratio
Catalytic converter on all models
1978 [MSRP $11,325]
Oval section muffler and tailpipe
Rear suspension modified for easier vehicle height adjustment
Optional equipment: Alloy wheels, front and rear speed bars, Koni shocks, electric antenna, windows, mirror, headlight washers, rear wiper, foglamps
VIN range 9248200001 - 9248211638
1979 [MSRP $14,600]
5-speed manual transaxle (standard), with 928-style shift pattern
6x14 alloy wheels (standard)
Optional equipment: Limited slip differential
VIN range 9249200001 - 9249209636
1980 [MSRP $15,900]
Lambda control system added to CIS fuel injection
New (different) 5-speed transaxle
Power windows (standard)
Outside mirror with mechanical adjustment from inside
Optional equipment: Sport group with 15" alloy wheels, rear disk brakes, larger stabilizer bars, rear spoiler from Turbo
VIN range 92A0410001 - on
1981 [MSRP $16,770]
Front anti-sway bar (standard)
7 year limited anti-corrosion warranty
Optional equipment: “Weissach” package, primarily a paint and interior combination, sold in very limited quantities
VIN range WPOAAO92_BN450001 - on
1982 [MSRP $16,900]
Three-spoke steering wheel
Optional equipment: Rear spoiler
VIN range WPOAAO92_CN450001 - on _________________ 1977 924 2.0 Auto |
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Chrenan
Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 3903 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:43 am Post subject: |
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wombat wrote: | The initial optional sway bars were 20mm up front and 18mm rear... |
Just to be clear on this, the early 18mm sway bar is of a different type than the later ones. The early 18mm bar did not attach to the torsion bar carrier. It simply attached to both trailing arms, this meant the original 18mm bar is actually less effective than the later 14mm bar... _________________ 1987 951 - M193 Version for Japan |
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wombat
Joined: 07 Jun 2008 Posts: 422 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:12 am Post subject: |
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Chrenan wrote: | wombat wrote: | The initial optional sway bars were 20mm up front and 18mm rear... |
Just to be clear on this, the early 18mm sway bar is of a different type than the later ones. The early 18mm bar did not attach to the torsion bar carrier. It simply attached to both trailing arms, this meant the original 18mm bar is actually less effective than the later 14mm bar... |
Yes you are absolutly correct I did include this in the description
wombat wrote: | in 1978 they went to 22mm up front and 14mm rear (std w/ 23.5 mm t-bars) |
but as you have correctly pointed out I was not as clear on this point as I could have been.
If there are any other fact errors please point them out as this all came from my head apart from the model list and I always enjoy to learn things I didnt know or have gotten wrong. _________________ 1977 924 2.0 Auto |
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