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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:39 am    Post subject: 968 Front Sway Bar on 924 Reply with quote

I should know this....but.....can you fit the 968 m030 front bar and fittings onto a 931?
The 931 has the sway bar with the drop links to the A arms but the 968 uses the bar fitted to the A arms and drop links from the chassis.

Anyone done this?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't done that, but the stabilizer bar that my '82 931 came with was attached the opposite of what you described - it had long drop links from the chassis, and the ends attached directly to the bottoms of the A arms.
edit - There were 2 bar designs used and I had the later version. The earlier version was directly connected to the frame, with drop links to the A arms the way you described.

I upgraded to a Weltmeister 944 bar that attached to the chassis without drop links and has drop links at the ends coming down to the tops of the A arms.

A look at the parts diagram for the 968 shows it slightly different from what you described - it's showing drop link attachments at both the chassis and A-arms for the 968 bar.
The parts diagram for the 968 bar (944-2 and 968 front stabilizer bar 1985 - 1995) -

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More pics -
the early bar used on the 924 from '76 thru some point in '82 ("477." part numbers) -


the very late 924 / early 944 bar used in 924 and 944 from 1982 - 1985 ("944." part numbers) -


and again, the later 944(s2) and 968 bar used in 944-2 and 968 from '85 - '95 ("944." part numbers) -


Comparing those last 2 illustrations, the bars alone are shown as being the same shape - apparently the only difference is the bar diameter. The chassis drop links (#2) have the same part number all the way from 1982-1995 (late924-944-944s2-968), and comparing A arms, the later 944s2 and 968 A arms have their stabilizer bar drop-link attachment points at the front and appear to correspond to the position of same on the early 924 A arms. -So although I still haven't done it, I'd have to give it a yes - can be done. Maybe by just knowing that the 968 and later 944 bars are the same, you could've answered it yourself? In any case, if the attachment hardware's included, and you have the early 924 A arms, you might only have to provide a second hole to attach the chassis drop links (#2).
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my 77.7 track car I put 25mm front sways using the metal straps on the chassis and the ends under the metal A arms. I had to weld the straps on and fiddled with the ends to get them on. They work. I have not driven the car on the track but will this season.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:35 am    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

Thanks all,
Yes looking at the diagrams I could have worked this out, but the set sent is a useful reference.
My car is the first type, ie it has the bar to the chassis and the long drop links to the A arms.

I knew the bars themselves would fit, but was not sure if the pickup points for the chassis mounts would need any work, seems not.

I have a full weltmeister set with adjustable front and rear, although the rear is off the car in favour of a std porsche bar.

The biggest problem with the weltmeister stuff is the huge weight it adds.

My plan for this season is to fit LEDA front struts (coil adjustable) 50/50 bump/rebound and adjustable rear dampers.

I am not going to pay for the fully adjustable bump/adjustable rebound set as frankly I have yet to find many club drivers who have the time or funds to do the testing and so on that is required to get the correct settings for these. I certainly dont. Also the temptation to 'fiddle' is a bit too much!

Springs will be 300/ftlb on the front with the 944TS torsion bars at the rear. I am keeping the bars for no other reason than I dont have the cash for the better coilover conversion.
I would like the 30mm bars for the rear but need a cheaper source than I can find at present over here.
Given those bars 350ftlb front springs might be best.

The dampers, springs and 968 m030 sway bars should give me the balance I want without too much weight penalty.

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Simon
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smoothie wrote:
the very late 924 / early 944 bar used in 924 and 944 from 1982 - 1985 ("944." part numbers) -


FWIW, this is also the 924S setup.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have such a bar on my 924....but my 924 came with a late style sway bar, this means it is attached to the A arms and uses two brackets to hold on to the chassis.
you need bigger bushings and thats about it.

Simon, let me know if you source those bushings somewhere, mine are pretty worn.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diagrams are one thing, any pics of a late roll bar attached to an early car? Especially to early steel wishbones.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am about to complete installation of a 968 bar on my Club Sport. I have converted over to alu a-arms, but the mounting principle should be the same for steel arms, you might just have to drill a hole for the attachment point. I am not planning to weld the brackets to the frame spars. I am going to try using rivet nuts. Based on what I investigated earlier today, the straight brackets should mount about an inch or so behind the stock 924 sway bar "saddles" that are spot welded onto the frame spar. I'll take photos of course. Rivet nuts and tool are supposed to arrive early next week, so stay tuned.
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wanted to bump this thread and see if anyone has successfully implanted a 968canon bar into a 931?

Reason I ask is because I just did this yesterday but Im not 100%great satisfied.

I used the m030 front bar that has short drop links below steel a-arms and the L shaped brackets. My only concern is where the L -Bracket mounts to the chassis. The original mounts are in the way! Unless I have something misaligned? Also the stock 931I oil cooler lines are a very tight fit by the bar although those could be adjusted some.

I mounted the L-bracket using one of the existing threaded studs from the chassis and a nut. So there is only one bolt in each side for the vertical braces... not great but will be fine for day to day use.














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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flosho;

How much lower is the center of the sway bar, than the center of the steering rack?
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ill check tonight or tomorrow evening.
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

could you also take a pic from the side at all please,
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flosho wrote:
Just wanted to bump this thread and see if anyone has successfully implanted a 968canon bar into a 931?

Reason I ask is because I just did this yesterday but Im not 100%great satisfied.

I used the m030 front bar that has short drop links below steel a-arms and the L shaped brackets. My only concern is where the L -Bracket mounts to the chassis. The original mounts are in the way! Unless I have something misaligned? Also the stock 931I oil cooler lines are a very tight fit by the bar although those could be adjusted some.

I mounted the L-bracket using one of the existing threaded studs from the chassis and a nut. So there is only one bolt in each side for the vertical braces... not great but will be fine for day to day use.












Pictures a coming.


Those 'L' brackets have been known to snap when bolted up correctly. Your weakest link is now the fact its held on with one fixing per side. Snappage likely.
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, I don't see the point of doing this versus the stock setup. However, you can easily drill thru the sheet metal with a long drill bit, and use a long bolt for the other hole needed. I did this when I ripped my sway bar mount off, it's held by tiny little spot welds~!
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