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CorsePerVita
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| Rasta Monsta wrote: | | Makes perfect sense. I recommend removing the engine. |
I agree. Those are very prone to issues. Other things you can do to simplify potential failure includes the transaxle itself and the torque tube. The torque tube is a giant issue to get to anyway. Who REALLY wants to replace the bearings in those things? Just remove it. Like stefan said, if you're gonna do it, do it right.
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visnich020612
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| Well the plan is to put in a rotary since Porsche copied mazda anyways |
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Fasteddie313
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lolz
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CorsePerVita
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| visnich020612 wrote: | | Well the plan is to put in a rotary since Porsche copied mazda anyways |
That's really weird. I guess they did a terrible job copying that whole wankel bit then. Very disappointing. Why not just buy an RX7 and save yourself the headache? I mean, they're obviously exactly the same inside and out with zero differences. I heard Ferdinand Porsche hired Sam Fisher himself to get the plans from the factory to copy the car. I can't tell you who told me that though because they would probably assassinate me.
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jason c
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| visnich020612 wrote: | | Its less things to go bad and have to repair |
Makes no sense, you'll spend more time trying to dial it in everyday without the cold start system than you will repairing it.
Sure, it can be removed. Do you feel better now that I told you what you want to hear?
You can plumb in a pressure regulator for control pressure but it will never run right. You'll be constantly fighting fuel ratio.
The cold start system (which includes the wur), is used all the time, even when hot.
There are tons of books on CIS that explain it in detail, get one.
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jason c
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| visnich020612 wrote: | | Well the plan is to put in a rotary since Porsche copied mazda anyways |
You're right, the Porsche engines are the worst rotaries ever.  |
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CorsePerVita
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| jason c wrote: | | visnich020612 wrote: | | Well the plan is to put in a rotary since Porsche copied mazda anyways |
You're right, the Porsche engines are the worst rotaries ever. |
They have way more pistons than a conventional rotary. Really super inefficient at being a rotary.
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Fasteddie313
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Germans are genious, copying the RX-7 and releasing the 924 production 2 years sooner than mozda..
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ViktorTsoi
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You could remove the AAV and CSV, I drove my car for 2 years without them. Pain in the ass to start and warm up.
Like others have said, there is no advantage to do so - only added hassle. But technically they can be removed from the car without hurting performance.
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jason c
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| ViktorTsoi wrote: | You could remove the AAV and CSV, I drove my car for 2 years without them. Pain in the ass to start and warm up.
Like others have said, there is no advantage to do so - only added hassle. But technically they can be removed from the car without hurting performance. |
He asked about completely removing it not just 2 parts. If you thought it was tough to warm up without those, try removing the wur.  |
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jason c
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| Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Fasteddie313 wrote: | | Germans are genious, copying the RX-7 and releasing the 924 production 2 years sooner than mozda.. |
Not only that, they figured how to put pistons in a rotary.  |
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visnich020612
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| So someone on here makes a body kit from wood and an naca duct from a latemodel window vent and no one bats an eye but I ask about removing an over enginered choke and everyone freaks out this is hilarious |
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jason c
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| visnich020612 wrote: | | So someone on here makes a body kit from wood and an naca duct from a latemodel window vent and no one bats an eye but I ask about removing an over enginered choke and everyone freaks out this is hilarious |
We're busting your balls not because of the question but because of you latter statements. You're asking to do something that is impractical and will cause more problems than it saves. Your lack of understanding adds to the fun. Once you learn the system, you'll understand why its nonsense. |
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fiat22turbo
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| visnich020612 wrote: | | So someone on here makes a body kit from wood and an naca duct from a latemodel window vent and no one bats an eye but I ask about removing an over enginered choke and everyone freaks out this is hilarious |
Oh trust me, we busted that guys balls plenty (at least I did), but you learn to pick your battles because people are free spirits and you can lead them to knowledge, but you can't make them think. That dude's obviously been around paint fumes way too much to do much more than chuckle and shake your head.
As for the torque-less wonder you're planning on installing? A little research will tell you how big a pain in the butt that is (because it's been done down in Australia). An Audi AAN 5-cyl or Chebby V8 swap would actually be easier (and provide a more enjoyable experience). I like rotaries, BTW my uncle races them and a ride in his GT-3 RX-3 was an awesome experience, but I wouldn't use one as an engine swap for on of these cars. Just too many compromises needed, IMO.
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ViktorTsoi
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ViktorTsoi wrote:
You could remove the AAV and CSV, I drove my car for 2 years without them. Pain in the ass to start and warm up.
Like others have said, there is no advantage to do so - only added hassle. But technically they can be removed from the car without hurting performance. |
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He asked about completely removing it not just 2 parts. If you thought it was tough to warm up without those, try removing the wur. |
I know but the WUR is pretty integral to the fuel system, I don't really consider it part of the cold start system. I did remove the wur and it didn't make any difference in cold starting. Now actually driving the thing was a whole different story.
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