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DLC360
Joined: 18 Sep 2012 Posts: 76 Location: Parma Hts Ohio
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:56 am Post subject: 87 924S Engine sputtering Fuel delivery Problem |
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1987 924S with 146000 miles. I have been chasing a sputtering / stumble issue and I need a little help.
Under acceleration the car will stumble, like its not getting fuel, around 3000 to 4000 RPM. If I got full throttle, this doesn't happen. Also when driving on the highway, again at 3000 to 4000 RPM, it will start to tumble, again like its not getting enough fuel.
I have already changed, New strainer at the tank, new fuel pump, new fuel filter, cleaned flow tested and installed new O rings on the injectors and cleaned and adjusted the air flow meter on the air box. The only parts I have not changed are the fuel dampener or the fuel pressure regulator. I have read that a bad regulator may cause this problem. Is there a way to check the fuel pressure regulator under driving conditions?? The car idles and drives fine, as long as I keep it under 3000rpm or at full throttle. |
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jason c
Joined: 13 Jan 2014 Posts: 1018 Location: Nwi
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:31 am Post subject: |
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You can hook up a fuel pressure tester and either mount the gauge in the cockpit or on the windshield using the wiper to hold it down to test while driving. You can restrict the return line or pinch it shut (with pinch pliers) to raise the fuel pressure or deadhead the pump, respectively, for the test.
If it runs well under full throttle, its likely that the fpr is not the problem. I'd look at the ignition system (plugs, wires, rotor & cap) and the tps (for a dead spot) next. |
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DLC360
Joined: 18 Sep 2012 Posts: 76 Location: Parma Hts Ohio
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:26 am Post subject: |
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THANKS, I did forget to include that I did change the plugs (NGK standard) wires, cap, rotor and coil as well.
Its really stumped me. If I roll into the throttle, it stumbles between 3k and 4k. If I jump on it, it goes past 3k - 4k with no problem. Then while cruising at 3200 / 3500 rpm it will run and then start to stumble like its not getting fuel.
When I changed the fuel filter and dumped out the old fuel, it was black. The fuel pump, filter and strainer were all the original equipment. The air flow meter had 2 very deep groves so I bent the tab to move the pick up off the groves, I also cleaned all the contacts as shown in the Clarks garage write up. Every time I change something, it gets a little better, but it still has the stumble. |
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!tom

Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 1941 Location: Victoria, BC Canada
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like fuel filter.
Is the new one clogged?
Is the new one installed backwards? _________________ 78 924 NA
5-lug |
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DLC360
Joined: 18 Sep 2012 Posts: 76 Location: Parma Hts Ohio
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| !tom wrote: | Sounds like fuel filter.
Is the new one clogged?
Is the new one installed backwards? |
No, new filter was installed the right way and the fuel from the tank was clean. I had to remove the old filter and fuel pump together in order to try and get the old filter off the hose. The new filter is an original equipment Porsche unit also, not aftermarket. Thanks for the input anyways. |
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Paul

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 9491 Location: Southeast Wisconsin
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:07 am Post subject: |
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If the damper and regulator are also original parts, they are over due for replacement. _________________ White 87 924S "Ghost"
Silver 98 986 3.6l 320 HP "Frank N Stein"
White 01 986 "Christine"
Polar Silver 02 996TT. "Turbo"
Owned and repaired 924s since 1977
Porsche: It's not driving, it's therapy. |
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Rasta Monsta

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:59 am Post subject: |
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You need to have your AFM rebuilt. _________________ Toofah King Bad
- WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3
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DLC360
Joined: 18 Sep 2012 Posts: 76 Location: Parma Hts Ohio
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| Rasta Monsta wrote: | | You need to have your AFM rebuilt. |
I already took apart the AFM. Following the write up from Clarks Garage, I bent to pick ups to ride on a new surface, and I cleaned all the contact points. There area few times while driving that the AFM needle on my tack jumps all the way to the high side, but the engine performance doesn't change.
I have been thinking about the fuel pressure regulator and the dampener but just haven't sent out the order for them, since I have already tossed so much into the car so fast..... Sounds normal when dealing with an unreliable maintenance record.. LOL |
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Rasta Monsta

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:12 am Post subject: |
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More to the rebuild process than that but OK _________________ Toofah King Bad
- WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3
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Paul

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 9491 Location: Southeast Wisconsin
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:25 am Post subject: |
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Have you checked the cap and rotor? _________________ White 87 924S "Ghost"
Silver 98 986 3.6l 320 HP "Frank N Stein"
White 01 986 "Christine"
Polar Silver 02 996TT. "Turbo"
Owned and repaired 924s since 1977
Porsche: It's not driving, it's therapy. |
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DLC360
Joined: 18 Sep 2012 Posts: 76 Location: Parma Hts Ohio
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| Rasta Monsta wrote: | | More to the rebuild process than that but OK |
Im sure there is. Is there a place that rebuilds the AFM ? All i have found is places to buy them rebuilt.
Yes, i did change out the cap, rotor, coil, wires and plugs. |
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Rasta Monsta

Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 11733 Location: PacNW
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| DLC360 wrote: | | There area few times while driving that the AFM needle on my tack jumps all the way to the high side |
Rebuilder is ProgRama. Great service, good for DMEs too.
I wonder if you should check injector harness for breaks/shorts? _________________ Toofah King Bad
- WeiBe (1987 924S 2.5t) - 931 S3
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DLC360
Joined: 18 Sep 2012 Posts: 76 Location: Parma Hts Ohio
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:10 am Post subject: |
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| Rasta Monsta wrote: | | DLC360 wrote: | | There area few times while driving that the AFM needle on my tack jumps all the way to the high side |
Rebuilder is ProgRama. Great service, good for DMEs too.
I wonder if you should check injector harness for breaks/shorts? |
I will check that out this weekend. THANKS |
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| EGR valve sticking? |
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DLC360
Joined: 18 Sep 2012 Posts: 76 Location: Parma Hts Ohio
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| ThomasJoseph315 wrote: | | EGR valve sticking? |
Something else to check. THANKS |
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