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James C  



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:14 pm    Post subject: NA 924 misbehaving. Reply with quote

Obviously because I want to sell it, something has to break.

My '81 924 has just had a new radiator and thermostat put in, new coolant rah rah rah.

Now, before the radiator was put in, it held temperature quite well. The bottom of the radiator was mostly rust so I had the whole thing replaced along with the thermostat for good measure. Now, the thing overheats and pisses coolant out the overflow if it's idling for too long. It's fine when it's moving again. Needless to say this is a real shit feature in traffic.

I'm thinking water pump is going or gone - What does the rest of the board think?

NB, I'm probably not going to fix it, rather sell it as is - I just want to know what the issue is.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You havent said that the fan is working... 2 things need to happen when the temp is getting there. Both require the fan to engage.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fan does go. Sometimes it stays on after everything else is shut off.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure the cooling system is bled properly as per the red stopper on the hose from the thermostat housing?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the water pump stops, you'll get about half-a-mile before it will burst a hose. Been there, done that.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bleed the coolant and see if that improves things.

If not, I suspect you've got a blown headgasket.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duncan wrote:
Are you sure the cooling system is bled properly as per the red stopper on the hose from the thermostat housing?


If it's the only way to do it, then that's probably how it was done.


staticsan wrote:
If the water pump stops, you'll get about half-a-mile before it will burst a hose. Been there, done that.


It did pop a hose a while ago. Nothing else came of it; it got warm but I'm pretty sure I stopped in time.


fiat22turbo wrote:

Bleed the coolant and see if that improves things.

If not, I suspect you've got a blown headgasket.


If it has, it's being really discrete about it. Shouldn't the oil and water have mixed by now? I can't afford to have more stuff done on this thing.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A blown headgasket doesn't always result in oil and water mixture. There are times when it only results in combustion pressure leaking into the cooling system, over pressurizing the system and causing the fluid to be pushed out of the system. Sometimes you can see this on the spark plugs by seeing which ones are sparkling white (due to steam cleaning of the combustion chamber)

If you see bubbles in the coolant once it starts to warm up (start the car cold, take off the radiator cap and keep an eye on it as it warms up and watch for bubbles) then you might have a leaking or blown headgasket.

To bleed the system, park the nose in the air, start the car cold, remove the red bleed cap. Once the car warms up water will start coming out the bleed port. Once water starts coming out, put the cap back in and tighten the clamp. You may have to do this a couple of times, especially after cycling the heater on/off to flush any air out of there as well.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiat22turbo wrote:
A blown headgasket doesn't always result in oil and water mixture. There are times when it only results in combustion pressure leaking into the cooling system, over pressurizing the system and causing the fluid to be pushed out of the system. Sometimes you can see this on the spark plugs by seeing which ones are sparkling white (due to steam cleaning of the combustion chamber)

If you see bubbles in the coolant once it starts to warm up (start the car cold, take off the radiator cap and keep an eye on it as it warms up and watch for bubbles) then you might have a leaking or blown headgasket.

To bleed the system, park the nose in the air, start the car cold, remove the red bleed cap. Once the car warms up water will start coming out the bleed port. Once water starts coming out, put the cap back in and tighten the clamp. You may have to do this a couple of times, especially after cycling the heater on/off to flush any air out of there as well.

Good luck!


That's quite insightful. Guess I know what I'm doing this weekend. Helps that my driveway isn't flat too.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a blown head gasket between 3 & 4, no pressurizing of water, no mix of oil or water, just air pumping back and forth.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since the car was OK before you replaced the radiator & thermostat, I suspect that the new thermostat may be defective or fouled by rust - maybe even installed upside down. I'd spend $5 and put in another thermostat before going after the big stuff. The bolts on the thermostat housing are usually the hard part of installing a thermostat. Good Luck - Peter
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pmcaya2 wrote:
Since the car was OK before you replaced the radiator & thermostat, I suspect that the new thermostat may be defective or fouled by rust - maybe even installed upside down. I'd spend $5 and put in another thermostat before going after the big stuff. The bolts on the thermostat housing are usually the hard part of installing a thermostat. Good Luck - Peter


You might be onto something there, but a thermostat is $50 for me. Unfortunately even that is more than I can afford - Getting to school is the priority at the moment.

The thing is, I got about a week out of it before it started being a dick, so I'm thinking water pump. It could've grenaded from age.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What temp thermostat and radiator fan switch do you have? Are the fans running the correct direction?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul wrote:
What temp thermostat and radiator fan switch do you have? Are the fans running the correct direction?


No idea, no idea, yes. Single fan.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No observable change in behavior after bleeding the cooling system?
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