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fiat22turbo  



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:01 am    Post subject: Ever have one of those days? Reply with quote



Clutch arm is jammed. push on the clutch and it doesn't return. Thought the cable end broke at first, but the cable came off the end of the pedal because the cable went slack.

So either the bearing is stuck on the guide tube or the PP is broken. Either way, time to pull it apart and fix it. Thanks to Rasta, I've got a new clutch kit to pick up tomorrow.

First to finish some work and then hit Happy Hour with the wife, I figure I owe her that much after rescuing me on her day off and letting me use her AAA. I don't think the tow truck driver believed it was her car though
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a beautiful car....
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

txjake wrote:
That's a beautiful car....


Thanks! 6+ years of work and it still needs a bunch of work. I feel like the guys in the Jag from Gumball Rally. "It's a handsome design." "Yeah, I just wish it ran..."
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had One Of Those Days twice in one day(ish)!

Started the night before right next to the Surrey train station car park (lucky me, train home). Continued halfway home the next day, opposite a Safeway car park (same deal as yours, flatbed to the workshop).

Cooked alternator, so it turns out.

Still, you're sorting out the bugs...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a verh good looking car.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiat22turbo wrote:
txjake wrote:
That's a beautiful car....


Thanks! 6+ years of work and it still needs a bunch of work. I feel like the guys in the Jag from Gumball Rally. "It's a handsome design." "Yeah, I just wish it ran..."


4 more years and you'll be enjoying it !
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:21 am    Post subject: Clutch problems Reply with quote

Had a chance to diagnose you clutch dilemma?
This isn't your problem but I thought I would pass it along in case it just might help save somebody some grief. When I bought my car it had a clutch problem that the owner couldn't figure out. The clutch pedal was just real hard to operate. It was REAL stiff and couldn't even push it all the way to the floor. The P.O. said he had just put a new clutch and pressure plate in but that still didn't fix the problem. Well at least that drove the price down. I drove it for a couple of days just to have a little fun with the new toy and then decided to get serious and get it fixed. So I decided not to believe a word the P.O. told me and start from scratch. I bought a new pressure plate and clutch and throw out bearing and pilot bushing (it was cheap back then!) and then parked it in the garage and pulled it all apart. Quite the learning experience, not at all like my F-100 or my Opel GT! When I looked at the clutch and PP the P.O. was telling the truth it all looked very new. So much better to find an obvious problem. Well I decided to install my new Beck Arnley parts since I know they are good quality. Put it all back together and same problem! So here I am stumped like the P.O. I thought maybe it was in the pedal assy. I disconnected the cable rom the bell housing and operated the clutch pedal and it was smooth as silk. A visual inspection under the dash revealed a broken spot weld on a support bracket for the pedal from the extra stress on the clutch pedal but the rest was intact looked like a result of the problem and not the problem itself. When I first took everything apart I inspected the disconnected clutch cable and it operated smoothly in and out. So I went to hook the cable up again but I decided lube the cable up first, a good preventative measure that I always practice on any of my motorcycles when I would disconnect a throttle, brake or clutch cable. After hooking the cable up, wow a 95% improvement! The cable when removed would slide by hand no problem but put it under a load with a bend it wouldn't hardly move. Although the cable looked in excellent condition it must have been frayed on the inside. I picked up a new cable and rewelded and beeked up bracket on the pedal assyembly and good as new. All that for just a stupid sticky clutch cable.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the cable arm slipped on the shaft. Sucks to find that after pulling the engine out, but it gives me a chance to do some maintenance and improvements (ceramic coating the header after melting two front control arm bushings, checking the wiring, etc.)

I'm hoping that cleaning up the shaft and the arm and very carefully applying more torques to the pinch bolt will result in the arm staying put. It's a stupid design, other companies design similar solutions to actually spline the arm to the shaft.

One of the hood catch welds broke, so I'll have to repair that as well. Probably see if Rasta still has his for his race car as this one has been a bit flaky anyway.

Notice my trigger wheel sensor mount is t quite stout enough and might be contributing to some of the funny readings I've seen running at higher RPMs. Probably add some aluminum angle to help stiffen the mount slightly.

Waiting for the weather to get warm enough to finish some of the fiberglass projects I've been working on as well as the body work, etc.

Anyway, fun stuff trying to diagnose and repair the various odd issues we find on cars, eh? Looking forward to seeing the Monaco Blue rig at the Historics in June
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:33 am    Post subject: Re: Clutch problems Reply with quote

Brian L. wrote:
Had a chance to diagnose you clutch dilemma?
This isn't your problem but I thought I would pass it along in case it just might help save somebody some grief. When I bought my car it had a clutch problem that the owner couldn't figure out. The clutch pedal was just real hard to operate. It was REAL stiff and couldn't even push it all the way to the floor. The P.O. said he had just put a new clutch and pressure plate in but that still didn't fix the problem. Well at least that drove the price down. I drove it for a couple of days just to have a little fun with the new toy and then decided to get serious and get it fixed. So I decided not to believe a word the P.O. told me and start from scratch. I bought a new pressure plate and clutch and throw out bearing and pilot bushing (it was cheap back then!) and then parked it in the garage and pulled it all apart. Quite the learning experience, not at all like my F-100 or my Opel GT! When I looked at the clutch and PP the P.O. was telling the truth it all looked very new. So much better to find an obvious problem. Well I decided to install my new Beck Arnley parts since I know they are good quality. Put it all back together and same problem! So here I am stumped like the P.O. I thought maybe it was in the pedal assy. I disconnected the cable rom the bell housing and operated the clutch pedal and it was smooth as silk. A visual inspection under the dash revealed a broken spot weld on a support bracket for the pedal from the extra stress on the clutch pedal but the rest was intact looked like a result of the problem and not the problem itself. When I first took everything apart I inspected the disconnected clutch cable and it operated smoothly in and out. So I went to hook the cable up again but I decided lube the cable up first, a good preventative measure that I always practice on any of my motorcycles when I would disconnect a throttle, brake or clutch cable. After hooking the cable up, wow a 95% improvement! The cable when removed would slide by hand no problem but put it under a load with a bend it wouldn't hardly move. Although the cable looked in excellent condition it must have been frayed on the inside. I picked up a new cable and rewelded and beeked up bracket on the pedal assyembly and good as new. All that for just a stupid sticky clutch cable.


I was wondering what you used to lube the cable because there is a plastic sleeve on the inner cable, so the contact is plastic to plastic.
On the LUK site (as in the clutch manufacturer) there is a fault diagnosis chart. Basically it says it is impossible to assess the condition of a clutch cable when it is removed from the car. Like you experienced the unloaded behavior is not conclusive.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and while I'm waiting for the header to come back from Finish Line Coatings:





I started mocking up the parts I'll need to use the BAE turbo manifold. Shouldn't be too bad other than the exhaust routing after the turbo.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:55 am    Post subject: Clutch cable Reply with quote

Hi Duncan. I can't remember exactly but is wa probably some gear or motor oil. I probably wouldn't have done that except for trying to track down the problem. Like with my motorcycles I cut the cornner of a plastic bag, put the end of the cable in and wrap tight with tape and use the bag as a funnel.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:07 am    Post subject: Turbo! Reply with quote

Hi Stefan. Is that a turbo on a N/A engine? Interesting! Will be neat to see your car in person. Willl never forget your write up about your adventure of buying the car in Seattle then trying to make it home to Portland! I think Kahl can relate!
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