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Elektrobank

Joined: 19 Mar 2007 Posts: 149 Location: Pozzuoli,Napoli, Italy
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| gegge wrote: | When I asked Sten about the price he told me €90-100 each depending on exclusive rights to the design. That is incl. VAT in the EU area. ARP bolts are included of course  |
i'll be in for a set shipped to Italy...but i'd like to know more about rod's specification ....but.... 90-100 eur looks too cheap for me...
let me know  _________________ 924T Dta inj + sequential LPG
Cosworth
MotoMorini 501
Moto Morini 350 K2
lot of fun but always on foot.... |
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MillsMotorsport
Joined: 05 Nov 2011 Posts: 28 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:13 am Post subject: |
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If they're similar to the Crower rod, I'd be interested in one set for sure, maybe two sets.
Not that I want to "dis" the Diamond pistons that Dan has sourced, but I have a preference for JE forged pistons (rightly or wrongly, I belive they have better metallurgy than most, other than Mahle). So if we had a set of rods that would suit an off the shelf forged piston from something current and widely available (like 86.5 or 87mm Nissan SR20 Turbo pistons) rather than a custom "931" piston.
If we went with a rod to suit the SR20 (for example) piston, then we'd have a huge amount of piston choice in the future and security of supply for many years to come. It would also help the 924 (NA) guys, as NA pistons for the SR20DE are widely available too.
I am rebuilding one, posibly two engines at the moment, so I definatley want one set, and if they suited an "off the shelf" aftermarket forged piston from something else suitable, even better! |
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the_mad_electrician

Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 1073 Location: Central Georgia
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:27 am Post subject: |
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The problem with using aftermarket pistons from another car is the compression hight on the 924 is pretty high. I looked at several options and didn't find anthing close enough. _________________ 81 924 N/A
2004 Ranger "Edge"
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:50 am Post subject: |
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If you're doing custom rods, getting the rod maker to do a custom set with a different center-to-center length is no big deal. I can get the Crower style rod in any length I want with no difference in price. The trick is getting all of the other dimensions correct. So I still say the path to take is to replicate the critical dimensions of a stock rod for anyone not changing out pistons, and then the guys who want to use something other than OEM or the Diamond upgrades I've been sourcing can simply specify the appropriate rod length to accommodate the compression height of the piston they choose to run. _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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MikeJinCO
Joined: 08 Jun 2010 Posts: 1246 Location: Maysville, Colorado
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:00 am Post subject: |
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After much mulling of rod bolts vs rods, sign me up for a set of rods. _________________ Mike
'67 MG Midget Dp
'71 Ocelot Dsr Kawasaki 1000(under rebuild) |
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tyfighter123

Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Posts: 551 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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BUMP! _________________ Porsche 924 1977 N/A
Mustang GT/CS 2007
Porsche 924S 1987 (parts car)(cut up and recycled)
Porsche 911S 1976
Porsche 931 1980
Porsche 931 1980 (parts car) |
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gegge

Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 1124 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:56 am Post subject: |
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Let me know what you want and I´ll do what´s required to get it done!
I´m in for at least two sets if close to stock. And that´s 8 of 30 if you get the point...
$/€ 100 each means $/€ 400 for a set. To clarify. Cheap or not, you decide. _________________ Carl Fredrik Torkildsen
924 turbo -81 Carrera GT RESTOMOD
924 turbo -80 Dolomite De Luxe
924 -85 DP kit, BBS RS, M030 and tuned engine
924s -86 Black on black turbo with Fuchs |
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:20 am Post subject: |
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Do the rods all have to have exactly the same dimensions, or can guys order up whatever dims they want? _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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tyfighter123

Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Posts: 551 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | $/€ 100 each means $/€ 400 for a set. To clarify. Cheap or not, you decide. |
What does that equal in US dollars?
How long will it take to get them once we make our order?[/quote] _________________ Porsche 924 1977 N/A
Mustang GT/CS 2007
Porsche 924S 1987 (parts car)(cut up and recycled)
Porsche 911S 1976
Porsche 931 1980
Porsche 931 1980 (parts car) |
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Dutch924-racer

Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 1081 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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I will pay in dollars then ($ 400 = € 300). _________________ 937 trackday car
Series 2 engine
951S turbo and intercooler
Fast road camshaft
Forge recirculation valve + boost controller |
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gegge

Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 1124 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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The reason why I wrote $400 or €400 is beacause exporting outside EU is tax exempt (without VAT). No problem for a EU citizen to have them exported to US payng in USD and gamble with the risk of duty on the import as well as value added tax.
The minimum batch is 30 rods with the exact same measurements. _________________ Carl Fredrik Torkildsen
924 turbo -81 Carrera GT RESTOMOD
924 turbo -80 Dolomite De Luxe
924 -85 DP kit, BBS RS, M030 and tuned engine
924s -86 Black on black turbo with Fuchs |
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ideola

Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 15550 Location: Spring Lake MI
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| gegge wrote: | | The minimum batch is 30 rods with the exact same measurements. |
So now we come to a decision point.
Option 1 would be to maintain all OEM dimensions:
b.e. bore = 51.6mm
w.p. bore = 24mm
c-c length = 144mm
b.e. width = 27.9mm
Option 2 would be to build the rods to accommodate the wide range of available 87mm pistons with smaller compression height and wrist pin:
b.e. bore = 51.6mm (i.e. no stroke, use stock bearings)
w.p. bore = 21mm or 22mm (more options at 21mm)
c-c length = 150mm (to accommodate lower cd of off-the-shelf pistons)
b.e. width = 27.9mm
Given the rising cost of OEM pistons and rings, as well as the significant cost of custom pistons, it might be wise to go with a 21mm pin and longer c-c length in order to use cheap(ish) off the shelf pistons. The pistons that will work won't be half the cost of new Diamond pistons...but maybe like 20-30% cheaper.
I'd like to do some calculations, because with the lower cd on these pistons, we might want to increase the c-c length even a little more than 150mm to get more desirable ranges of CR; not increasing the stroke will have a significant impact on CR figures, so I need to look at the range of available options and see if 150mm is sufficient or if a little longer would be better.
But as of this moment, I personally am now leaning more toward option 2 than I was at the outset of this thread... _________________ erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made |
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MikeJinCO
Joined: 08 Jun 2010 Posts: 1246 Location: Maysville, Colorado
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:29 am Post subject: |
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Dan
Been out of touch for a bit. Before we go toward option 2 please make sure that both NA as well as turbo pistons are available. _________________ Mike
'67 MG Midget Dp
'71 Ocelot Dsr Kawasaki 1000(under rebuild) |
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tyfighter123

Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Posts: 551 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:51 am Post subject: |
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I personally would want to do a set of each option if we have enough interest to get two batches.
Dan how does the cost of these custom made rods compare to your off the self rods? _________________ Porsche 924 1977 N/A
Mustang GT/CS 2007
Porsche 924S 1987 (parts car)(cut up and recycled)
Porsche 911S 1976
Porsche 931 1980
Porsche 931 1980 (parts car) |
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Min

Joined: 04 Nov 2002 Posts: 2368 Location: Vernon, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:03 am Post subject: |
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I would only be interested in option 1. That would count for two sets from my end(myself and jonus).
Min _________________ Custom means it didn't come from a box.
1980 n/a with EDIS and Megasquirt II Injection. 7 different colors and counting. |
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