Show full size 924Board.org
Discussion Forum of 924.org
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 
 Technical FAQ924 FAQ (Technical)   Technical924 Technical Section   Jump to 924.org924.org   Jump to PCA 924 Registry924 Registry

Main Bearings, Round 2
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    924Board.org Forum Index -> General Discussions
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
!tom  



Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Posts: 1941
Location: Victoria, BC Canada

PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CrashTest wrote:
Not sure what size yet though... If i use plastigauge on the bearing that are installed will this info be enough for me to decide if STD will work?

Considering that the rod bolts are meant to be replaced, will this effect the plastigauge outcome? I would just remove the con rod cap insert the plastigauge, then retorque the con rod cap.


No, using plastigauge tells you if the bearing / journal set has new tolerance, or is within the worn tolerance. It tells you nothing about what size it is, as it could have been reground to an oversize in the past, but still be in a servicable range.

As far as the rod bolts go, they will not affect the plastiague reading. I would expect oil may make it more difficult to use the plastigauge.
_________________
78 924 NA
5-lug
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
RC  



Joined: 25 Mar 2007
Posts: 2637
Location: Australia

PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simply flip the bearing out of the cap and read the size on the back.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
CrashTest  



Joined: 01 Apr 2008
Posts: 81
Location: Daytona Beach, FL 32114

PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks to all!

I will look at the journals and caps this evening and make my decision...

sammy
_________________
'80 931 primer, brown interior, five lug In pieces now and parting out.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
CrashTest  



Joined: 01 Apr 2008
Posts: 81
Location: Daytona Beach, FL 32114

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ RC

the bearings just have an audi/vw symbols and 046 701 stamped on them.

The journals look good, feel really smooth. will post pics. I don't have a micrometer...

My friend might have one...

I know we want to place the order on Friday so I am on it...

sorry,
sammy
_________________
'80 931 primer, brown interior, five lug In pieces now and parting out.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
CrashTest  



Joined: 01 Apr 2008
Posts: 81
Location: Daytona Beach, FL 32114

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here we go...

I hope this is not just plain annoying to you guys...

I am gonna call my friend for a micrometer now








thanks,

Sammy
_________________
'80 931 primer, brown interior, five lug In pieces now and parting out.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
!tom  



Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Posts: 1941
Location: Victoria, BC Canada

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ideola wrote:
Updated the list, removed !tom (at least for now :P )


Yah, yah yah. Rub it in. You knew all along that I'd do things right, didn't you.

Put me down for 1 STD main, 1 STD big-end.

Thanks again for arranging this.
_________________
78 924 NA
5-lug
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
CrashTest  



Joined: 01 Apr 2008
Posts: 81
Location: Daytona Beach, FL 32114

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am meeting with someone with lots of engine building experience in a short time. He should have a micrometer.

Also, i have just re read the posts and realized that we want to place the order by NEXT friday.

thanks,
dummy
_________________
'80 931 primer, brown interior, five lug In pieces now and parting out.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
CrashTest  



Joined: 01 Apr 2008
Posts: 81
Location: Daytona Beach, FL 32114

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, my friend measured the journals just now. He did not use the special micrometer with rollers, but got a measurement of just about right on 48mm.

So it is safe to say that i can go with the standard rod bearing set.

He said that the bearings looked hardly worn, except one had a tiny scuff where some contaminant had come in through that oil hole.

I asked if he thought i should have the crank machined to polish the journals completely...

He told me that you just use an emory cloth to rough them up before installation of the new bearings...

Please put me down for one (1) set of STD rod bearings.

Prolly annoying everyone by now, but i have never done this sort of work before and I am all alone on this.


Thanks guys,
Sammy
_________________
'80 931 primer, brown interior, five lug In pieces now and parting out.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
ideola  



Joined: 01 Oct 2004
Posts: 15550
Location: Spring Lake MI

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No worries, Sammy, I'm not going to get to invoicing today anyway. I'm in the middle of buying a new car (look for a new topic on that later), so I won't be able to send invoices out until later this weekend. I'll mark you down.
_________________
erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
daniel  



Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Posts: 686
Location: Sydney, Australia

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I be a pain and cencell one of my STD main bearings and order 1x std rod and 1x 10thou rod.

Thanks
Daniel

Dan, PM sent regarding invoicing
_________________
Over the top of skyline, total brake failure.... hit the wall at over 200 kp/h at the dipper, so anyone who has to brake for the esses is a pussy.
1977.5 Race Car, CAMS Group S Spec
1989 944 Cabriolet
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
RC  



Joined: 25 Mar 2007
Posts: 2637
Location: Australia

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CrashTest wrote:
Here we go...

I hope this is not just plain annoying to you guys...

I am gonna call my friend for a micrometer now








thanks,

Sammy


As you now know these are standard size. Standard size bearings are often unmarked re size. Other times they`re stamped "std", 00, 000.
Practically all undersize bearings will be marked in some way. Usually including "+0.25, 0.25. 025, 25, 50, 75, etc". Imperial size engines (US domestic) and possibly US manufactured bearings will have "+0.010, +.010, +10, 0.010, 010, 10, 20, etc")

Only exception i`ve seen is Ford who have sent engines out of the factory with some journals ground std and others 0.010 with unmarked bearings to suit.
Cheap & nasty way of costsaving on a damaged crank. That`s why it really pays to check all journals and clearances with plastigauge on assembly. Fortunately I picked up on it but many builders dont till the engine runs and knocks. Ford has a reputation for this and also oversized crank bores with special larger OD shells. Saves Ford a block but often a throwaway for the owner at rebuild time.

Quote:
I asked if he thought i should have the crank machined to polish the journals completely...

He told me that you just use an emory cloth to rough them up before installation of the new bearings...


OMG, DO NOT ROUGHEN ANY JOURNALS!!!

They want to be completely smooth, polished.
Frequently cranks are "linished" (polished smooth) by chucking in a lathe and rotated while a linisher (like a special narrow belt sander) with a very fine grit belt is applied. Can be simulated at home by a thin strip (journal width) of #400 silicon carbide with a belt backing. Certainly not a job for the inexperienced. Suggest leaving the crank alone if you can not feel any roughness on the surface.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
CrashTest  



Joined: 01 Apr 2008
Posts: 81
Location: Daytona Beach, FL 32114

PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright! Thanks Dan.

Rc - That is a dirty trick about the ford folks. Not really surprised though...

thanks for the great info!

Sammy
_________________
'80 931 primer, brown interior, five lug In pieces now and parting out.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Martijnus  



Joined: 29 Dec 2006
Posts: 2019
Location: Netherlands

PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could clean up the journals with some sanding paper to get sharp edges off.
In that case, the crankshaft is already damaged (or else you didn't have to do anything ).
You just have to know what you're doing... and I only know two people who know that. My boss and a skilled collegue. After that, you'd still have to polish it. The surface needs to be as smooth as possible.
_________________
"Rule: Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun." (C. Bell)

924 "50-jahre", 1981.
MSII/extra, LPG, ITB's, 5lug.
To be turbo'ed in a while.
Killed her at the Nurburgring, Porscheless at the moment
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger
!tom  



Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Posts: 1941
Location: Victoria, BC Canada

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone else getting in on this?
_________________
78 924 NA
5-lug
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
ideola  



Joined: 01 Oct 2004
Posts: 15550
Location: Spring Lake MI

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

INVOICING IS DONE. Sorry for the delay. Timing is now dependent upon receipt of payments.

{EDIT}Updated with payments received...

MAIN BEARINGS
  • ideola: paid for 1 set STD
  • 924RACR: paid for 1 set STD, paid for 1 set OS
  • makkanftw: paid for 1 set STD
  • Martijnus: paid for 1 set OS
  • Fifty50Plus: paid for 1 set STD, 1 set OS
  • lordam: paid for 1 set STD
  • daniel: paid for 1 set STD, 1 set OS
  • smither: paid for 1 set STD, 1 set OS
  • moone924: invoiced for 1 set STD
  • Brockoli: paid for 1 set OS
  • gegge: paid for 1 set STD
  • !tom: paid for 1 set STD
TOTALS: 10 STD, 6 OS

ROD BEARINGS
  • ideola: paid for 2 set STD (King)
  • 924RACR: paid for 1 set STD (King), 1 set OS (KS)
  • Fifty50Plus: paid for 2 sets STD (King), 2 sets OS (1 KS, 1 KING)
  • lordam: invoiced for 1 set STD
  • Martijnus: paid for 1 set OS (King)
  • makkanftw: paid for 1 set STD (King)
  • RC: paid for 1 set OS (King)
  • smither: paid for 1 set STD, 1 set OS (King)
  • moone924: invoiced for 1 set STD
  • John H: paid for 1 set STD, 1 set OS (King)
  • daniel: paid for 1 set STD, 1 set OS (King)
  • Brockoli: paid for 1 set OS
  • gegge: paid for 1 set STD
  • !tom: paid for 1 set STD
  • CrashTest: paid for 1 set STD
  • pocketscience: invoiced for 1 set STD, 1 set OS (King)
TOTALS: 15 STD (King), 2 OS (KS), 8 OS (King)
_________________
erstwhile owner of just about every 924 variant ever made


Last edited by ideola on Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:54 pm; edited 6 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    924Board.org Forum Index -> General Discussions All times are GMT + 10 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Page 5 of 7

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group