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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:24 am    Post subject: few more 931 engine questions, now + PICTURES Reply with quote

I putting a rebuilt engine back in the 931 S2. I bought the car with the engine out, so that is wy I got the next questions:

- Where does the hose need to go on the bottom of the mass air flow thing.
- I want a oil temperature gauge but the M14x1,5 hole is used by the oil return hose. Where do you guys put the sender ?
- Is the airfilter housing directley connected to the oil separator (Purolator)
-I bought a revision set for the clutch cylinder, but how do you get the steel trust ring out of it ?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:08 am    Post subject: Re: few more 931 engine questions Reply with quote

Dutch924-racer wrote:

- Where does the hose need to go on the bottom of the mass air flow thing.
- Is the airfilter housing directley connected to the oil separator (Purolator)

Both of those are answered by the pic below. The line with green arrows goes from the EEC control valve to the bottom of the mass air flow thing.
I used clear PVC line from the seperator to the airbox -


Dutch924-racer wrote:
- I want a oil temperature gauge but the M14x1,5 hole is used by the oil return hose. Where do you guys put the sender ?

I'm thinking either drill and tap through the center of the oil drain plug, or drill and tap somewhere on the back of the oil pan, or get an oil filter sandwich adapter that has threaded, or drill and tap and oil filter adapter that you might already have? ..

Now's a good time to double check that the flywheel is installed correctly. As you probably noticed, it can go on in any one of 6 different ways, and it's extra important to get it right with S2 because of the crank sensor, and "sintered metal insert" in the flywheel that it senses.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My airbox has just one hose. It is a european car.

Where does the hose from the air flow meter go, inlet manfold maybe ?

The I set the crankshaft and camshaft to TDC and the flywheel shows Z1 in the hole of the bellhouse, so that should be good.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dutch924-racer wrote:
Where does the hose from the air flow meter go, inlet manfold maybe ?

If you don't have a charcoal canister and other EEC (evaporative emissions) parts, I believe that port should be plugged. -But see if there's a vent line for the gas tank ending in that area - if so, it could probably be attached. It definitely doesn't link up to the intake manifold though.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First picture of the bottom of the fuel distributor , were should the hose go ?

Second of the purolator, I usume it will go to the turbo oil pipe ?

Third of a hose near the inlet manifold ??? Maybe it should be connected to the brakebooster ?






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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re: the line from the air metering unit / fuel dizzy goes directly to the EEC that Smoothie pointed out in his photo above;

Re: the purolator line, I can't tell which one you are pointing to, but there are three lines as follows:
1. On the top of the unit facing the front of the car, a line goes directly to the airbox.
2. On the top of the unit facing the rear of the car, a line goes to the crankcase breather (under the intake manifold, hard to reach)
3. On the bottom of the unit facing the rear of the car, is the oil drain line that goes to the secondary port above the oil drain plug on the oil pan

Re: the y-pipe, yes, that one connects to the brake booster.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is a european car that doesn't have ecc
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The EEC is teed into the vapor return line to the fuel tank, so I would assume it would plumb directly in on your car.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Purorlator has got 3 connections:
one on front top, that goes to the airfilterbox
one on the bottom thta is the retourn to the oilpan
and third the one on the second picture, whre to go with that one ?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The third connection (from your list) is the second connection (from my list) which is supposed to connect to the crankcase breather. It's on the side of the block way back underneath the intake manifold. Hard (but not impossible) to get to on a fully assembled engine.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one goes to the oil drain breather as you thought (and it seems to be going there already if that's it coming in at the bottom-right of your first pic) -


Some assitance from someone with an equivalent RoW 931 without EEC would be useful to confirm whether the connection at the bottom of the AFM unit [in your first pic] gets plugged or what...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the same routing in my 931.
The purolator "air output" (the top connection facing forward) goes directly to the fuel distributor connector. The airbox purolator input is plugged...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit difficult to see in this diagram but think line 27 from purolator goes to 32 to line 12 to fuel dizzy. Line 34 goes to turbo oil breather. And 31 is plugged.
Thats how mine goes but not sure if its correct...

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TurboJak - Do you happen to know if your line from the top of the Purolator to the bottom of the AFM has a restrictor in it? (Asking because 924NAs that are routed that way, from the breather to a point between the air metering plate and TB, have a 5mm restrictor in the breather line. -And it would make sense for the 931 with that routing to have it also.)

-Or Dutch924-racer - If you have the original lines, and one that would fit between Purolator and AFM, if it has a restrictor in it, that would answer your question - just hook it up to the AFM connection. -But I'm sure it doesn't matter anyway, which one it's attached to and which one gets plugged..
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, after looking at that parts diagram again, apparently 32 would serve as the restrictor.
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