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endwrench
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Oh no. I'm just an old dinosaur now with old V2 MS-I Technology. You and Nick are the future, the new "Guru's" of EFI. Let the force be with you!
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Min
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now now. I'm no expert thats for certain. Just another guy trying stuff hoping it works.
Min
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CBass
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Location: Vancouver, Canada
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Ah hell I'm into the spirit of this how to thing now.
I'm starting on my MS project and have injectors,
FPR, 52mm throttle body with TPS. New project is the fuel rail, I am placing injectors in the manifold right above where the runners curve so that they'll shoot straight at the intake ports. Not the best location granted, I'd rather they were in the ports but I don't think fuel dropout will be a major issue.
I have about a million questions regarding which ECU and version to run with. Megasquirt 1 V2 looks pretty cheap and appealing at the moment. I just want basic fueling, ignition will remain stock for now.
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Min
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| CBass wrote: | | I have about a million questions regarding which ECU and version to run with. Megasquirt 1 V2 looks pretty cheap and appealing at the moment. I just want basic fueling, ignition will remain stock for now. |
Well, it all depends on what sort of features your looking for? ... knock control? ... ignition at a later time? ... boost control? nitrous control? ... or just fuel? ... are you going to be running huge injectors?
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CBass
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| Min wrote: | | CBass wrote: | | I have about a million questions regarding which ECU and version to run with. Megasquirt 1 V2 looks pretty cheap and appealing at the moment. I just want basic fueling, ignition will remain stock for now. |
Well, it all depends on what sort of features your looking for? ... knock control? ... ignition at a later time? ... boost control? nitrous control? ... or just fuel? ... are you going to be running huge injectors?
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Looking at 33lb injectors from a turbo dodge, no nitrous or boost control needed. Knock sensors would be a treat, ignition maybe later on down the line.
Right now I want a closed loop EFI system that will idle nicely, pass emissions and not give me severe driveability issues. My car pings on 92 on hot days, I'm pretty sure a tight air/fuel ratio could help with that.
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endwrench
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Cbass,
Just my two cents here but I think I would do more like Min did and convert you ignition first with MS then tackle the fuel. You could get rid of the ping straight off.
I also would consider mounting the injectors in the stock location if for no other reason than cold runability and emmisions. Long runners and fuel don't work well together. Talk to guys trying to run a tunnel ram intake on an American V8 on the street! They are not daily drivers 
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Min
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| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:33 am Post subject: |
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bwhaha, got my wideband installed last night, and my knock sensor unit (www.viatrack.ca) ... I love tuning, way to much fun. The wideband has so far been worth every penny.
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Raceboy
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| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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BTW guys, if you have gone the MS-way and looking for a good WB-kit that is affordable then VEMS produced a kit called AfreshTiny that is WBo2 and EGT controller/display in one 52mm standard gauge. The kit contains Bosch WB sensor, connectors etc. You have to purchase EGT sensor from the webshop though. All this comes for something like 300 Euros.
Here's the link:
http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=AFreshTiny
And that's how it looks like:
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Min
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| Raceboy wrote: | | All this comes for something like 300 Euros. |
Thats like 379.77 dollars us ... you can pickup a innovate lc-1 for 179 us which doesn't use 'experimental' firmware.
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Raceboy
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Min, this is together with EGT sensor and datalogging. Current firmware is NOT experimental. Friend of mine bought it and it shows nice and clear numbers not like Innovative's LED dots and no issues whatsoever.
You should compare it's features with Innovative's 
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Min
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| Raceboy wrote: | Min, this is together with EGT sensor and datalogging. Current firmware is NOT experimental. Friend of mine bought it and it shows nice and clear numbers not like Innovative's LED dots and no issues whatsoever.
You should compare it's features with Innovative's |
ok, the lc-1 has datalogging. The lc-1 supports programed outputs at any voltage so you can run whatever afr gauge you want (so you don't have to deal with 'dots') The lc-1 supports datalogging. The lc-1 supports daisy chaining o2 sensors together. The lc-1 has warranty. The lc-1 doesn't come from europe and you can get one in my case within 12 hours from order. the lc-1 doesn't cost 200 dollars more for a feature that you may or may not use. the latest version of the lc-1 has no issues whatsoever (previous version had a DAC that was rated too low and unless connected with a resistor tended to blow up) Hrm. I don't see EGT being worth 200 bucks. Sorry.
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Raceboy
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:29 am Post subject: |
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Thats for you guys who reside in US, but in Europe it's cheap and Innovative LC-1 kit costs more than 350$ here.
And from my own experience, EGT together with WB is essential for tuning a turbocharged engine.
Btw, that Afresh-kit has warranty also.
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'67 911 2.4S hotrod
'90 944 S2 Cabriolet
'78 924 Carrera GT replica
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'82 924S/931 "Gulf", sold
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Min
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| Raceboy wrote: | Thats for you guys who reside in US, but in Europe it's cheap and Innovative LC-1 kit costs more than 350$ here.
And from my own experience, EGT together with WB is essential for tuning a turbocharged engine.
Btw, that Afresh-kit has warranty also. |
I'm not to concerned about how to get EGT hooked up myself. Its just a ktype thermocouple. Were does it state on that page the warranty provided? If lc-1 costs that much over there, eww. Ah well. A few more goodies and I'm going to have to start upgrading my engine.
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Raceboy
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:42 am Post subject: |
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It states on the webshop page about the warranty.
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'90 944 S2 Cabriolet
'78 924 Carrera GT replica
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'82 924S/931 "Gulf", sold
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Min
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| Raceboy wrote: | | It states on the webshop page about the warranty. |
tried to go to the webshop at this page:
http://shop.x-dsl.hu/catalog/index.php?cPath=1
and got this error:
The requested URL /catalog/index.php was not found on this server.
Min
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