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Keaton  



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:00 am    Post subject: the numbering Reply with quote

hey does anyone know how porsche does the numbering (what it means)??
914, 924, 944, 928, 968, 951, 931, 933, 911, 956, 959.......so on and so forth
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some of them have the number of cylinders the cars has (I think...) Such as the 924...944...928, and the 914 maybe. I could be wrong tho.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Started off as the 901 and Peugeot kicked up a fuss as they had a 'thing' for cars with zero as the middle letter. This was renamed the 911. It was the first production car that Porsche had designed from scratch, the 356 being largely based on the VW beetle, a creation of Ferdinand Porsche.
They had designed other race cars up to 8xx and so this new, eagerly anticipated car had to be the 9xx. The third numbers rarely match up, maybe the 924, 928 and 944 weren't by chance. Like the 914 and 916 (or 914-6...).
Then there are loads of factory codes for the cars and some of the gearboxes are numbered in a similar way 901, 915...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:29 am    Post subject: Re: the numbering Reply with quote

Keaton wrote:
hey does anyone know how porsche does the numbering


Someone might but I don't There'd be some internal system for deciding the numbering but I've never read/heard what it is.

Keaton wrote:
(what it means)??


As far as I know, it's meaningless to any "outsider", other than to give a number to call the car. As stated above, the company probably has an internal system that means something to them. But it doesn't mean anything to us... at least not like BMW's numbering, for example the 318 is a 3-series 1.8-litre, etc... (although even that's been slightly misleading recently and in the past).

Ferrari is another (308 apparently meant 3.0-litre, 8-cylinder and F355 meant 3.5-litre, 5-valve/cylinder head, etc...).

Mercedes as well i.e. the letter denotes the class/size of the car and the number is (usually?) the engine capacity in litres.

I have a hunch, like chris24, that the 924, 944 and 928 numbers weren't chance...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are the project numbers which are sequentially assigned when a job/task is started. There are many projects that never made it to production and others for different manufacturers such as the HD V-Rod engine. i.e. the 924 was four projects before the 928. In the case of the 911, Porsche has kept the 911 designation (except for the 912) but also used a project number such as 993, 996, etc.

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Khal  



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dpw928 wrote:
i.e. the 924 was four projects before the 928.


I'm not sure that's true. I've been told that the 928 was designed, or at least the project was started, before the 924.
As I've implied before, I feel it's likely the "8" in 928 was chosen because it was an eight-cylinder.

Anyway, the model numbers themselves are effectively meaningless, in that they don't actually stand for anything. They're just a number. Be it sequential or whatever.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Khal,

The project 924 was started for VW before the 928. It was bought back from VW after the 928 project was started, but the same project number was used. Same as the 931 being the project number for the 924 turbo. Look at the timeline lines for the 917's, 930's, etc up to the 993's, 996's and 997's. There are some that are skewed but don't confuse project starts with production dates.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dpw928 wrote:
The project 924 was started for VW before the 928. It was bought back from VW after the 928 project was started, but the same project number was used.


Interesting. I read the original project number was EA425? (actually, it's mentioned somewhere on the site, as well as numerous other books, etc).
So was that a VW code? Did Porsche have a separate code i.e. 924?

dpw928 wrote:
but don't confuse project starts with production dates.


No, no. I don't. In my line of work I'm well aware design is a very separate animal from actual production
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EA425 was the VW project number. I have a CD of the Porsche book titled Projeck 928 that has a short history of Porsche during that period. I'll try to dig into it to check for anything pertinent to the 924.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dpw928 wrote:
They are the project numbers which are sequentially assigned when a job/task is started.


This is certainly true of early designs.

Famously, the '911' was the 901st entry in the Porsche design register, but Puegeot kicked up about having the zero in the middle (Porsche should have told them to go blow), instead they put a one in its place and it became the 911 forever more.

However, I just can't believbe this is true of later designs, where the numbers seem to fit their respective models more conveniently than chance would seem to allow. What happens when they get to the 999; is there going to be a Porsche 1000? (With a 1.0 l engine? )
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Khal wrote:
I feel it's likely the "8" in 928 was chosen because it was an eight-cylinder.


I agree - it's just a little too cute.

So are one or two others.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:14 pm    Post subject: Re: the numbering Reply with quote

Khal wrote:
I have a hunch, like chris24, that the 924, 944 and 928 numbers weren't chance...


Count me in!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After going back and reading the leadup in "Projeck 928" it appears that projeck 924 was a conceptual study to develope a replacement of the VW project EA 266 (914). The mid engine was ruled out due to limitations on seating and the rear engine was ruled out due to safety, steering and stability concerns with the 356 and early 911's. The actual design phase ran parallel with the 928 design. When VW backed out of the EA 425 projeck, Porsche bought it back and assigned the original projeck number 924.

The last digit of the project has nothing to do with the number of engine cylinders. The projeck number 928 was assigned before the decision was made to install a V-8. Actually four cylinders and V-6's (like the Porsche designed Studebaker V-6) were tried before they settled on a low profile V-8. Is the 931 a one cylinder or what happened to the other four cylinders in the 968? Ever see a 7 cylinder 917?

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Khal  



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dpw928 wrote:
Is the 931 a one cylinder or what happened to the other four cylinders in the 968? Ever see a 7 cylinder 917?


Nah, mate. The numbers just seemed a little too convenient, y'know?

Thanks for the info.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe somebody in the engine design department thought it would be cool to match the cylinders to the project number. Guess they caught him after the 944.

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