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RC  



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:46 am    Post subject: Cheaper lifters Reply with quote

Does anyone know of a source of new cam followers, either genuine 046 109 311 or aftermarket ones, priced any better than $78.95?

http://www.automotion.com/productpage.aspx?pid=111485&name=Lifter&part=101827

Thanks,
Roger
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Min  



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Piper, a set of lifters was 220 british pounds
220 British pounds = 444.57600 U.S. dollars
444.57600 / 8 = 55.57200

so for 55.57 a peice, plus shipping, whatever that may be, piper has aftermarket lifters availible, they weight about a third of stock lifters, and require lash caps which can be obtained locally more than likely. If you want me to take pictures of them for you, I can do that, I have a set in the garage waiting to be installed.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Performance9.com.au have them listed at AUD$92

with the current exchange rate the automotion ones are very nearly 90 anyway.

i've never managed to fond new ones any cheaper than that, but maybe a search of audi parts might turn something up.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Piper do have them. Thanks for confirming that Min. Checked out their website and couldnt find any. That price is much more reasonable than their cams. Works out to about Au$ 540 plus shipping. Most likely would be a better product than the Porsche ones anyway. Do these use shims to adjust clearance? Was there any reason besides price why you chose then Min? Can I also ask what cam you are going to run?

Hopefully I have located some new genuine ones in the UK for 15 pounds each but am waiting on an email for verification. Will certainly consider the Piper ones and would appreciate a picture if these dont work out.

Thanks for reminding me about the exchange rate Steeny. Our dollar is doing well at the moment but I still overlook the difference sometimes. DOH
Yea, works out the same anyway.

Sure that I will take the offer of a refund for the cam that I had welded and get a new one, Integral probably. The biggest killer is these lifters but I want to do this properly and have it last.

Roger
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RC wrote:
Do these use shims to adjust clearance?


Yes, just got a bunch of shims (enough for breakin clearance, and setting the final clearance) a few days ago from a local engine rebuilder.

RC wrote:
Was there any reason besides price why you chose then Min?


Yep, after examining a few porsche lifters that I have, I was pretty displeased with the overall lifter, they are extremely heavy, and the adjustment screw's threads wear over time, on some of my lifters the threads are rounded off completely on the adjustment screws. So to replace my lifters with porsche ones, I'd also have to buy a full set of adjustment screws at something like 20 bucks a shot. Along with 78 dollar each lifters. I wasn't particularly interested in spending that kind of money just on lifters. For something heavy, and has wear problems over time. All of my adjustment screws also have flat spots worn in the adjustment taper for example. Money played into it alot for me also, being that I'm cheap.

RC wrote:
Can I also ask what cam you are going to run?


I have two cams that I will be running in different cars, integral stage 2 turbo cam, and a integral stage 2 na cam.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that info Min.

Personally I am not impressed with the Porsche lifters either. Have noticed that the adjustment screws must be quite hard since they are able to scratch thread lines in the tops of the valve stems. Also had one separate into 2 pieces along the horizontal diameter some years ago. Chewed out the lifter bore in the head that wasnt cheap to get sleeved either. So now I am interested in a photo of your Piper ones if its not too much trouble.

Still in the UK, I found them listed on Newman cams site also. At 80 pounds a set I`m interested in those too now. Sure that they cant be genuine ones so may be similar to Piper`s. Dont expect to get an answer till next week from them.

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Am also considering an Integral cam, stage 1 N/A probably but will contact them for advice about what they recommend for a supercharger application. Another thread coming up soon.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RC wrote:
So now I am interested in a photo of your Piper ones if its not too much trouble.


Ok, I'll try to get some good pictures of them.

RC wrote:
Still in the UK, I found them listed on Newman cams site also. At 80 pounds a set I`m interested in those too now. Sure that they cant be genuine ones so may be similar to Piper`s. Dont expect to get an answer till next week from them.


hrm, very interesting indeed, I'll be interested to know how that goes.

RC wrote:
Am also considering an Integral cam, stage 1 N/A probably but will contact them for advice about what they recommend for a supercharger application. Another thread coming up soon.

Roger


Steve at integral cams is awesome. His cams look very nice (dunno how they run yet, since I'm still sourcing lifters for my na application, and the other car isn't finished yet)

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Min,

Just curious, with the new lifters, do you shim the valve stemm to lifter or the lifter to cam lobe? Did you have to have the shimms custom made?

Todd
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

between the valve stem and bucket...
there are different kinds too, there are valve caps that slip over the stems, the top of the stem is recessed for this, and purely shims that sit on top of the stem...
The other option is to have the top of the stems stellited and ground back but the head needs to be off for these last two options.
It's also good if you can't find the next size up adjusting screw as you can take the adjuster down a size instead...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It must take alot of time to get is right.... The cam would have to come out everytime to reshim.....?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

endwrench wrote:
Min,

Just curious, with the new lifters, do you shim the valve stemm to lifter or the lifter to cam lobe? Did you have to have the shimms custom made?

Todd


lifter to the valve stem. I looked into options for lifter to the camlobe stuff, but wasn't satisfied at their ability to stay in at high rpm (think shims flying out at 6500 rpm) The valve shims are not custom made. You can just buy them. I believe we bought some from a chevy 350 application even.

porschev: yep, gotta take the cam out everytime. Its going to be even more fun considering we have to shim the lifters to breakin spec, and then shim them differently once the cam is run in. had to get at least 16 shims. luckily they are cheap.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heres an update on this thread. I managed to locate a source of new genuine Porsche cam followers in the UK for the absolute bargain (comparatively) price of 15 British pounds each. A set of 8 posted to Australia cost me just under Au$ 300. Somewhat cheaper still in US$, at least at the moment.



Notice they still list them at that special price so if anyone else is interested heres a link. Part number is 046 109 311

http://www.type-911.co.uk/monthlyspecials.htm

Roger
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About $35 Canadian a piece is a great price.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

endwrench wrote:
Min,

Just curious, with the new lifters, do you shim the valve stemm to lifter or the lifter to cam lobe? Did you have to have the shimms custom made?

Todd


Yep just like the new Carrera GT, except there are 4 cams and 40 valves to worry about! Not to mention the motor must be pulled to remove the cams.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

endwrench wrote:
Min,

Just curious, with the new lifters, do you shim the valve stemm to lifter or the lifter to cam lobe? Did you have to have the shimms custom made?

Todd


The cam/lifter/valve system is adjusted by a screw in the lifter
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