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RC

Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 2637 Location: Australia
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Min

Joined: 04 Nov 2002 Posts: 2368 Location: Vernon, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Piper, a set of lifters was 220 british pounds
220 British pounds = 444.57600 U.S. dollars
444.57600 / 8 = 55.57200
so for 55.57 a peice, plus shipping, whatever that may be, piper has aftermarket lifters availible, they weight about a third of stock lifters, and require lash caps which can be obtained locally more than likely. If you want me to take pictures of them for you, I can do that, I have a set in the garage waiting to be installed.
Min _________________ Custom means it didn't come from a box.
1980 n/a with EDIS and Megasquirt II Injection. 7 different colors and counting. |
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steeny
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 319 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Performance9.com.au have them listed at AUD$92
with the current exchange rate the automotion ones are very nearly 90 anyway.
i've never managed to fond new ones any cheaper than that, but maybe a search of audi parts might turn something up.
cheers _________________ 1978 924 N/A
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RC

Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 2637 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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So Piper do have them. Thanks for confirming that Min. Checked out their website and couldnt find any. That price is much more reasonable than their cams. Works out to about Au$ 540 plus shipping. Most likely would be a better product than the Porsche ones anyway. Do these use shims to adjust clearance? Was there any reason besides price why you chose then Min? Can I also ask what cam you are going to run?
Hopefully I have located some new genuine ones in the UK for 15 pounds each but am waiting on an email for verification. Will certainly consider the Piper ones and would appreciate a picture if these dont work out.
Thanks for reminding me about the exchange rate Steeny. Our dollar is doing well at the moment but I still overlook the difference sometimes. DOH
Yea, works out the same anyway.
Sure that I will take the offer of a refund for the cam that I had welded and get a new one, Integral probably. The biggest killer is these lifters but I want to do this properly and have it last.
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Min

Joined: 04 Nov 2002 Posts: 2368 Location: Vernon, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| RC wrote: | | Do these use shims to adjust clearance? |
Yes, just got a bunch of shims (enough for breakin clearance, and setting the final clearance) a few days ago from a local engine rebuilder.
| RC wrote: | | Was there any reason besides price why you chose then Min? |
Yep, after examining a few porsche lifters that I have, I was pretty displeased with the overall lifter, they are extremely heavy, and the adjustment screw's threads wear over time, on some of my lifters the threads are rounded off completely on the adjustment screws. So to replace my lifters with porsche ones, I'd also have to buy a full set of adjustment screws at something like 20 bucks a shot. Along with 78 dollar each lifters. I wasn't particularly interested in spending that kind of money just on lifters. For something heavy, and has wear problems over time. All of my adjustment screws also have flat spots worn in the adjustment taper for example. Money played into it alot for me also, being that I'm cheap.
| RC wrote: | | Can I also ask what cam you are going to run? |
I have two cams that I will be running in different cars, integral stage 2 turbo cam, and a integral stage 2 na cam.
Min _________________ Custom means it didn't come from a box.
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RC

Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 2637 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:32 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for that info Min.
Personally I am not impressed with the Porsche lifters either. Have noticed that the adjustment screws must be quite hard since they are able to scratch thread lines in the tops of the valve stems. Also had one separate into 2 pieces along the horizontal diameter some years ago. Chewed out the lifter bore in the head that wasnt cheap to get sleeved either. So now I am interested in a photo of your Piper ones if its not too much trouble.
Still in the UK, I found them listed on Newman cams site also. At 80 pounds a set I`m interested in those too now. Sure that they cant be genuine ones so may be similar to Piper`s. Dont expect to get an answer till next week from them.
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Am also considering an Integral cam, stage 1 N/A probably but will contact them for advice about what they recommend for a supercharger application. Another thread coming up soon.
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Min

Joined: 04 Nov 2002 Posts: 2368 Location: Vernon, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:56 am Post subject: |
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| RC wrote: | | So now I am interested in a photo of your Piper ones if its not too much trouble. |
Ok, I'll try to get some good pictures of them.
| RC wrote: | | Still in the UK, I found them listed on Newman cams site also. At 80 pounds a set I`m interested in those too now. Sure that they cant be genuine ones so may be similar to Piper`s. Dont expect to get an answer till next week from them. |
hrm, very interesting indeed, I'll be interested to know how that goes.
| RC wrote: | Am also considering an Integral cam, stage 1 N/A probably but will contact them for advice about what they recommend for a supercharger application. Another thread coming up soon.
Roger |
Steve at integral cams is awesome. His cams look very nice (dunno how they run yet, since I'm still sourcing lifters for my na application, and the other car isn't finished yet)
Min _________________ Custom means it didn't come from a box.
1980 n/a with EDIS and Megasquirt II Injection. 7 different colors and counting. |
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endwrench

Joined: 07 Dec 2002 Posts: 1631 Location: Victor, Montana
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Min,
Just curious, with the new lifters, do you shim the valve stemm to lifter or the lifter to cam lobe? Did you have to have the shimms custom made?
Todd _________________ '79 924NA. Rebuilt 9.5:1, MSDS header, Mega Squirt Injection, MJLJ-EDIS Ignition, 1.6L Whipple Charger and Intercooler, 10lbs Boost, 944 Trans, Custom HD Clutch.
"simsport" said....superchargers are better than turbos its official!.... |
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leadfoot

Joined: 11 Dec 2002 Posts: 2222 Location: gOLD cOAST Australia
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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between the valve stem and bucket...
there are different kinds too, there are valve caps that slip over the stems, the top of the stem is recessed for this, and purely shims that sit on top of the stem...
The other option is to have the top of the stems stellited and ground back but the head needs to be off for these last two options.
It's also good if you can't find the next size up adjusting screw as you can take the adjuster down a size instead...
Leadfoot _________________ 1981 ROW 924 Turbo -
carbon fiber GT mish mash
LS1 conversion in progress... |
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PORSCHEV

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 1901 Location: Cedar Lake Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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It must take alot of time to get is right.... The cam would have to come out everytime to reshim.....? _________________ 1976 924
5 lug conversion, 17'C2 wheels,custom body work,327 vette engine.
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Min

Joined: 04 Nov 2002 Posts: 2368 Location: Vernon, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| endwrench wrote: | Min,
Just curious, with the new lifters, do you shim the valve stemm to lifter or the lifter to cam lobe? Did you have to have the shimms custom made?
Todd |
lifter to the valve stem. I looked into options for lifter to the camlobe stuff, but wasn't satisfied at their ability to stay in at high rpm (think shims flying out at 6500 rpm) The valve shims are not custom made. You can just buy them. I believe we bought some from a chevy 350 application even.
porschev: yep, gotta take the cam out everytime. Its going to be even more fun considering we have to shim the lifters to breakin spec, and then shim them differently once the cam is run in. had to get at least 16 shims. luckily they are cheap.
Min _________________ Custom means it didn't come from a box.
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RC

Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 2637 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Heres an update on this thread. I managed to locate a source of new genuine Porsche cam followers in the UK for the absolute bargain (comparatively) price of 15 British pounds each. A set of 8 posted to Australia cost me just under Au$ 300. Somewhat cheaper still in US$, at least at the moment.
Notice they still list them at that special price so if anyone else is interested heres a link. Part number is 046 109 311
http://www.type-911.co.uk/monthlyspecials.htm
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Neil924

Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 4225 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| About $35 Canadian a piece is a great price. |
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Paul

Joined: 02 Nov 2002 Posts: 9491 Location: Southeast Wisconsin
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| endwrench wrote: | Min,
Just curious, with the new lifters, do you shim the valve stemm to lifter or the lifter to cam lobe? Did you have to have the shimms custom made?
Todd |
Yep just like the new Carrera GT, except there are 4 cams and 40 valves to worry about! Not to mention the motor must be pulled to remove the cams. _________________ White 87 924S "Ghost"
Silver 98 986 3.6l 320 HP "Frank N Stein"
White 01 986 "Christine"
Polar Silver 02 996TT. "Turbo"
Owned and repaired 924s since 1977
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Ozzie

Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 4448 Location: Townsville, Qld. Australia
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| endwrench wrote: | Min,
Just curious, with the new lifters, do you shim the valve stemm to lifter or the lifter to cam lobe? Did you have to have the shimms custom made?
Todd |
The cam/lifter/valve system is adjusted by a screw in the lifter _________________ Porsche 924 1984 (UK import) NA
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