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mgatlag

Joined: 02 Aug 2007 Posts: 647 Location: Avon, IN
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:26 am Post subject: flushing out the block breather |
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What's the easiest way to flush out the breather? I've heard about using gas while you're doing an oil change but want to have more info before I do something stupid. Thanks! _________________ Michael
'77 1/2 924 N/A- 5 speed Audi box
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'92 Jeep Cherokee Laredo - gone!!
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Rich H
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 2665 Location: Preston, Lancs, UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:45 am Post subject: |
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More importantly, how do you get it out without dismantling everything? _________________ 1994 Lotus Esprit S4 - Work in progress...
1980 Porsche 924 S2 DITC Turbo - Original spec
1978 Homo-Sapiens - Tired spec
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mgatlag

Joined: 02 Aug 2007 Posts: 647 Location: Avon, IN
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:48 am Post subject: |
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I've heard that you just pour gas into the breather itself using a funnel and it comes out the oil drain plug. _________________ Michael
'77 1/2 924 N/A- 5 speed Audi box
'04 Ford Taurus - gone!!
'92 Jeep Cherokee Laredo - gone!!
Porsche... better than tea with Miss McGill
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Smoothie

Joined: 01 Jan 2003 Posts: 8032 Location: DE (the one near MD, PA, NJ)
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:38 am Post subject: |
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If trying the in-place flush, I'd do it like this -
1) - Warm the engine, park on a slope with the front of the car higher than the rear (or jack up the front and set on jackstands), then drain the oil. Set that used oil aside to allow any particles to settle.
2) - Backflush the breather by pouring gas (, or Gunk Motor Flush, whatever) through the breather line, and collect it in a pan. Do be sure the line is in good condition beforehand - otherwise you'll just be pouring the gas all over the ground. (I found mine in bad shape a couple years ago. Check for cracking, softness, mush, etc., and replace it before proceeding if necessary.)
3) - Re-pour the gas through the breather 2-3 more times. Let it drip drain good.
4) - Pour about a cup of the used oil through the breather to flush out any remaining gas in it.
5) - Pour about 1/3 of the old settled oil back in through the oil filler in the valve cover. Let that drip drain good.
6) - Pour the second 1/3 of the old oil in and let that drip drain. (Steps 4-6 are to flush out as much of the gas as possible.)
Do not pour the remaining used oil back into the engine (obviously it would contain the settled particles that you don't want back in the engine, and especially not on top of the valve train). _________________ "..it's made in Germany. You know the Germans always make good stuff."
'82 924T, US version, dark green metallic, 5 speed Audi 016G gearbox
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mgatlag

Joined: 02 Aug 2007 Posts: 647 Location: Avon, IN
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:49 am Post subject: |
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right on Smoothie, always great advice! How often do you suggest doing this? And what kind of response should I see/feel from the engine after I do this? _________________ Michael
'77 1/2 924 N/A- 5 speed Audi box
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'92 Jeep Cherokee Laredo - gone!!
Porsche... better than tea with Miss McGill
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Smoothie

Joined: 01 Jan 2003 Posts: 8032 Location: DE (the one near MD, PA, NJ)
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Couldn't even guess how often it should be done - that would depend on how fast your breather tends to get clogged, and that would depend on your engines' condition (ring blowby, etc.), and other variables like condensation, engine temp., driving frequency, driving style, etc.
Maybe do it once a year or every couple years.
The main concerns if clogged are crankcase pressure would be higher and could cause oil leaks by pushing it past the seals, and you'd probably have more of a build-up of sludge, and accelerated bearing damage due to trapped acids. _________________ "..it's made in Germany. You know the Germans always make good stuff."
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mgatlag

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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: |
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as always....cheers! _________________ Michael
'77 1/2 924 N/A- 5 speed Audi box
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'92 Jeep Cherokee Laredo - gone!!
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Min

Joined: 04 Nov 2002 Posts: 2368 Location: Vernon, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: |
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From my personal experiance on this one I'd suggest popping the breather right out and removing/replacing the screen thats in it. No amount of fluid backflushing would have cleaned out the two I've done so far.
Min _________________ Custom means it didn't come from a box.
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mgatlag

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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:17 am Post subject: |
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are you sure Min? This thing was a HUGE pita to get in when it was new. I tried freezing, but that didn't do much. Ended up beating it on with a hammer. I rather not go thru that again. _________________ Michael
'77 1/2 924 N/A- 5 speed Audi box
'04 Ford Taurus - gone!!
'92 Jeep Cherokee Laredo - gone!!
Porsche... better than tea with Miss McGill
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Min

Joined: 04 Nov 2002 Posts: 2368 Location: Vernon, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| mgatlag wrote: | | are you sure Min? This thing was a HUGE pita to get in when it was new. I tried freezing, but that didn't do much. Ended up beating it on with a hammer. I rather not go thru that again. |
I soaked mine in various things after I took it out in a vane attempt to clear out some of the crud, it cleaned it out a tiny bit. It was a huge pita to get in again, but I'll never have to deal with it again. And I don't have to deal with exessive pressure anymore either. Car ran much nicer with it cleared out.
Min _________________ Custom means it didn't come from a box.
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Chrenan

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 3903 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Min wrote: | From my personal experiance on this one I'd suggest popping the breather right out and removing/replacing the screen thats in it. No amount of fluid backflushing would have cleaned out the two I've done so far.
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Same with me, the two I've done were so packed with crap you'd have to backflush for a year to make a difference. In my opinion it needs to come out for cleaning, then it will be good for another 30 years. _________________ 1987 951 - M193 Version for Japan |
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mgatlag

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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:09 am Post subject: |
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well my engine is only 1 year old (rebuilt). I guess I was just trying to be a little proactive. Maybe I should just leave it alone being as I put a brand new one in when swapped engine last year. Probably still good, eh? _________________ Michael
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'92 Jeep Cherokee Laredo - gone!!
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Chrenan

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 3903 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Yes, if it was new going in, or even a cleaned used one, it will still be fine. _________________ 1987 951 - M193 Version for Japan |
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